Actually rational take?? Holy hell
Is the youtuber Investor Linus (tech tips)? If so, what are his controversial politics?
Calling adblockers piracy is one i remember
I don't support ltt but that's the weakest (most cope least knowledgeable) argument there is honestly
like that makes sense because by adblocking you are basically receiving "paid" content for "free" (i put quotes bc the site isn't getting paid unless you click but whatever)
he elaborates to say that he isn't criticising it, just drawing an analogue, and that he uses one himself iirc
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btw my reason for not liking ltt is just that i don't like the consolidation of media and info sources, and that there's just higher quality content to watch
Last year, the social media manager left and accused LTT of being a toxic workplace with sexual harassment. They also started to favor quantity of content over quality.
I guess the generous amount of coverage and media attention Framework gets from their videos
Well they do disclose their investment but I dont think it is what they were referencing. It makes sense for them to cover as they have a stake in the company doing well.
This was me, basically.
I had a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 10 that, by the books, should have been a beast with good Linux support to boot. I tried for so long, but ended up replacing it with a Framework.
The thermal management on the Thinkpad is awful, under Linux at least but by all accounts attributable to the EC itself. Running the most basic workload would cause the CPU to spike for about one second before it would throttle all cores back to 400 MHz where they would stay locked for the next few minutes despite the CPU temps remaining at 50-60°C the entire time.
And it wasn't just me, numerous reports from all over. This made the system nearly useless. I shared pages of diagnostic info with them and they just seemed completely uninterested in trying to do anything about it.
Spec'd out equivalently, the Framework 16 (without GPU) is no more expensive than the X1 Carbon but with even better Linux support and unsurpassable upgradeability. I'm glad my company was onboard for me to switch.
Ok fuck it.
Tell me why i shouldn’t go for this as my next daily driver after one MBP after another for over 15 yrs. I’m serious.
You shouldn't buy a framework because you will be robbing yourself of the joy of a brand new laptop every 3 to 5 years because the battery is not replaceable or the WiFi chip went bad and it is soldered in. Think of all the innovations you will be missing out on because you are just swapping parts out like some kind of animal.
Do you think this is some kind of investment or something? Computers are just disposable things that everyone can afford. Why bother fixing things? I just have my butler go grab me a new one whenever I accidentally drop it in the pool while browsing on my floating inflatable chair.
lol. Look at the current state and trend of tech and tell me with a straight face that it's you who will be getting the innovation. What amazing feature was introduced in the last 10 years you couldn't live without? How much garbage was introduced just because companies could get away with it because the average consumers PC is powerful enough to not notice the spyware/adware/bloatware running in the background?
Yes, buy the new thing. Consume. Trash. Buy new.
I don't even value repairability to save a buck long term. I value it because I know I can get my system up and running again ways before I finish setup on a new device.
You are doing it wrong. Framework is easy to DIY, use that option and bring your own memory and storage. Only get what you need right now, you can always upgrade later when prices come down. Instead of the included charger, get a high quality third party 65W GAN charger. All that gets the cost down to about 1600 with barely any downside. Don't buy a modular device without using the modularity to your advantage.
This is exactly what I did. I love my framework.
Will it be a legend like Thinkpad in 10years? Probably not. Is it better than 99.99% of unrepairable essentially disposable laptops ? Fucking yes it is.
I think you might need more storage.
Wow thats a both pricey and monstrous specs (IDK about the proc but seems like a beast too!).
What's the 3 x 1TB cards? SSDs ??
I'd assume they're SSDs. Fitting three disk drives in a laptop sounds like a bad idea to me.
Looks like they're the ones for the expansion slots, which come iirc in 250gb and 1tb options. The ports are modular, and you could forgo one (or three) say USB ports and replace them with memory (or ethernet, SD, MicroSD, HDMI, etc.) And swap them around at will.
Idk what is inside the cards, but there are files out there to 3Dprint a shell for one that can take the guts from a USB thumb drive to act as the same thing, which I'm gonna print soon enough.
Be me, using my 2011 MBP in 2024
What are you going to use 64GB of RAM for?
Futureproofing it for the next N years? Playing some mad games? Honestly no idea I just thought to take the current top tier benchmark and one-up it.
Edit: on reflection I generally max out my MBPs out of habit to get the longest shelf life possible. Perhaps it’s just habit.
Edit2: if it helps I tend to get a new laptop every 5/6 years. The aim here would be to happily bespoke the hell out of a system and get more than 6 years out of it.
unfortunately it's a reasonable amount of memory nowadays. I do 3D and print, and I tickle the bottom of my 32GiB more often than not. I'm upgrading soon
IDK about them but I'm running 3 vms and RDR2 at the same time and like 60 Firefox tabs.
Just a placeholder until upgrading to 128GB
compiling programs with gcc takes roughly 2GB per thread, if you want to compile with all but two threads and play modded Minecraft on the remaining two it can definitely take a lot of ram
This is the first time I'm hearing about Framework. Is it worth it? I'm looking for a new laptop anyway
I guess it depends what you value. I have a Framework 13, first generation. I run Linux on it and really enjoyed putting it together myself (I ordered the DIY option).
I absolutely love their ports. You swap in the ports you want. I normally run a USB C on either side (so I can charge from either side) plus a USB A on each side (the Framework 13 has two slots each side, I think the 16 might have 3 each side?). But I also have HDMI, Display Port, and micro SD in case I need them. I can hot swap them in.
Their guides are awesome. I broke a screen and was able to order another and replace it myself following their guide. When the time comes (probably in the next year or so) I'm planning on upgrading. A bit like a desktop, since it's been a few years it means replacing the motherboard (what they call the mainboard) and RAM since technology moves on. I"m pretty sure like all laptops the CPU is fixed to the mainboard, but you can upgrade RAM or storage without replacing the whole guts (assuming same slot type). In fact you can buy without some pieces and reuse stuff you have or buy from elsewhere to save some money.
When I eventually do it I'm planning on strapping the old mainboard to the back of my TV as a HTPC (replacing the old dying laptop currently there).
There are plenty of downsides. No touchscreen. I wish the screen was a little brighter, it's not bad but could be better (might be better with later models?). I replaced the hinges with their more resistant ones but the screen still moves if I carry it around with the screen open (not sure if it's still an issue on newer models).
I really value the idea of repairability and upgradeability. When I was younger you could swap a bigger harddrive or RAM into a laptop if you had a screwdriver (and sometimes even without), and repairing other parts was also possible. These days you're more likely to find the whole thing glued together. Framework lets you do your own repairs, and has guides to walk you through every step.
There are probably more downsides, but I do love it and would buy another in a heartbeat. But if there are special things you need then carefully check. For example last I checked they did not have a full size SD card reader module available (though of course you can use a regular external one if you really need to).
Best laptop I've had so far, but they're quite expensive for their performance tier. The expectation is that you'd never replace it, so theoretically the cost pays itself off over time, but that would assume that you are able and willing to do that sort of long term maintenance.
Basically, I would only recommend it if you were a tinkerer.
I disagree on the comment about cost disparity. Spec'd equivalently, even the Framework 16 (without GPU) is no more expensive than the smaller ThinkPad X1 Carbon. The more comparative Framework 13 even less so.
The modular ports (and GPU on the 16) are a nice bonus, but I agree that the largest attraction is for the tinkerer.
I think the fact that it is easily upgradable makes it a clear winner on the merits alone.
Agreed. If you buy the minimum spec bare bones version and get RAM and NVME from a third party, the price is somewhat comparative to other MRSPs. If you go for a higher spec or compare to sales prices instead of MSRP you pay up to 50% premium according to my research.
If you however factor in downtime of a broken and non-repairable device, plus the time spend on setting up a replacement, the framework can easily compete if your setup is complex.
If you've got the cash to spare, they just about kick the shit out of absolutely everything on the market, and are consumer repairable to boot.
I like mine a lot but as the other commenter alluded too they're pretty pricey but for the 13inch one I think it's the best laptop on the market at that size at the moment.
I love it, it's amazing.
I do have the first generation which has a battery drain issue, which has since been fixed.
I always use my hardware for a looong time, but I look forward to only having to replace the main mobo and not the screen or keyboard when I do need an upgrade.
And even when you want to replace your main board, you can take the old one, 3D print or buy this Cooler Master case, and turn it into a relatively powerful server or HTPC or K8s node or whatever.
if you're willing to pay a bit extra for futureproofing your setup, then absolutely.
I own two (work and personal) 13" framework, and they are great little machines.
Some people don't like the size (or the 3:2 ratio screen), but I think it's perfect
framework 13 snapdragon x edition when
If there was enough demand for those keyboard nipples, certainly someone could make a keyboard to slot in.
If you like anonymity, then the Retro thinkpads should still be the best as they are numerous and hardware profiling is useless (if you are a TAILS or tor user -- "Windows" everywhere!).
Also, check out the "hardware compatibility list" from Qubes OS (they've got an endorsement from Snowden right on their homepage). The i5 and i7 Intel CPUs virtualize and are very well understood by people that work with Xen. Notice how Intel just crashed with the latest generation CPU lines. Just because it is brand new, doesn't mean it is highest security and reliability. (For example, nuclear silos sometimes still use floppies and are air gap compartmentalized with people in the loop. Might not be best for all the nukes to be on skynet and latest videogame capable. Depends on what you are doing for what is "best.")
Modularity on Framework is pretty cool though.
Such a bummer we have to worry about hardware profiling. Seemingly a nearly intractable problem.
Actually, I have never received a proof that there actually is such a thing (all mass produced looks like every other mass produced) besides electromagnetic properties https://www.whonix.org/wiki/MAC_Address#Burner_Wi-Fi_USB_Sticks but there is, unfortunately, "clock" which is the totalitarian World Order.
You're being downvoted, but you're not wrong. At least in the case of the Ethernet module, which most people aren't going to leave plugged in most of the time.
The utility in the ports being modular is more so in the initial configurability at purchase rather than swapping them out by the user on a regular basis.
But having a laptop with 4/6 USB-C is pretty nice. Add on the fact that my dongles don't dangle and it is even cooler.
I hate it when my 4 to 6 dongles dangle too. So annoying. Thankfully we finally have a solution for it.
Hell, I swap em. I usually don't have to connect to a TV, but if I do I have the HDMI on hand and I'll swap it with the 3.5mm, which I use more often so it's usually in the chamber. You can hotswap em and everything, I love it!
Electrically? Yes.
Mechanically the expansion card has higher durability because the force on the USBC is minimized. It's also convinient to have build in "carry slots", so for your standard loadout you don't need to bring a bag with accessories. Compare it to the dongle storage in a wireless mouse.
I mean, I only got the ethernet module in case something happens to my wifi card and I have to wait on the replacement to arrive, and I like to use them during install just because.
But it's nice to have it be an option along with microSD, SD, 3.5mm, HDMI, USBC, USBA, 1tb or 250gb storage, and Display Ports, that instead of a dongle fits nicely in the body like a GBC cart (the Ethernet has the rumble pak though). And on top of that, this is neat.
E16s and shit are good. Doesnt really beat my old one. I'd be willing to throw framework on a laptop.
Something some thinkpad users value a lot is the trackpoint. I'm seriously considering breaking a 4 thinkpad (3 X2x0, one X1 carbon) spree with a 13" framework but not having trackpoint is a big issue for me. I'm using the fact my X1 is still fast enough for my use to wait and hope for framework to get a trackpoint. There're more people in the same boat in framework's forums.
Is trackpoint the official name for the thinkpad clitoris?
Yes
