Angela Carini abandons Olympic fight after 46 seconds against Imane Khelif

Khelif was assigned female at birth, has lived her entire life as a woman, has a passport that lists her as a woman from a country that has no trans rights.

If this had happened in the 1904 St Louis Olympics, when women's boxing was first an Olympic sport, nobody would have batted an eyelid. This is just right wing moral panic.

Was she born intersex before being assigned female? I’m sorry but I haven’t followed all the details of the gender test and how she failed it. Do you know?

I love everyone citing the International Boxing Association (IBA), "they tested for XY chromosomes." They did a testosterone test and the IBA President concluded she had XY due to elevated testosterone.

Caster Semenya went through the same stuff but was a woman. Her case is very different but the same. A woman that has elevated testosterone but a medical condition that gives her XY chromosomes.

Instead people should be asking who Umar Kremlev. A Russian that lost his last election but decided "nope, that doesn't count" and still holds office. Damn, who does that sound like? Yes, he has ties to the Kremlin. Can, someone remind me on their stance with alternative lifestyles?

Elevated testosterone in females is not uncommon. Just like everything else, it is complicated.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240719142841/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/opinion/running-body-semenya.html

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/iba-extraordinary-congress-votes-against-holding-new-election-2022-09-25/

Obviously, these duel competitions should only be allowed between identical twins. Anything less is unfair and should be halted and shut down.

If testosterone is a PED and it doesn't matter if the athlete is cis or not, then there should be a hard limit for both male and female athletes to ensure fairness. If too much testosterone is only a problem for women then clearly it's a sexist attempt to police women's bodies.

Every human body produces some amount of testosterone, either too much is an unfair advantage or it isn't.

Maybe we should just stop taking professional sports so seriously

People will always have genetically advantages, be it height, testosterone, bone density or a myriad of other factors. Trying to control all is impossible, and no matter what limits you set, you'll unfairly exclude some people
No basketball player should be above 5.5 feet tall. There should be a hard limit on height. But only in women's basketball.
- There should be separate basketball leagues as per height.
  
  5'6" - 6'
  
  5' - 5'5"
  
  4'8" - 5'
They do check testosterone levels for men in every single sport that checks for doping. Abnormal levels is indicative of doping.
Are you proposing mandatory testosterone blockers for all Olympic athletes?
- I'm suggesting disqualifying women for abnormal testosterone levels without doing the same for men makes no logical sense. Either it's a PED or it isn't and if you're going to limit a naturally occurring hormone of just one sex, then it's not really about the hormone.

Sports where physical strenght and constitution are more important than technique will always be dominated by people with a better genetic pool.
I'm without any doubt "genetically inferior" when compared to Usain Bolt: even if I started training when I was 3 years old, I couldn't even imagine to get nowhere near his level because nature decided to screw up my knees while he was born a fucking sprinting machine.
Sorry darling, suck it up and take the L or change sport.

Jesus, help us. These people's reading comprehension is below acceptable.
- That plus the fact that everyone entered this thread with an opinion that is limited to one aspect of the matter, which is fine by the way until you try to derail the conversation towards that specific opinion so that you can pull it out totally out of context like a priest's cock
Let's remember that all the athletes that have records in running where found positive to doping. Then Bolt arrives and beat all their times one after the other but he is not using. I bet in 10 years he comes out as positive as well
Well how did she lose her other olympic and IBB matches if her genetics are always the same then???
- I'm not talking about that, my whataboutistic friend, I'm talking about this specific episode that's being used as a media case to rage-bait people.

I'm just waiting for demands for the 4k vagina video so everyone can judge for themselves whether or not she's a real woman with a real vagina.

She’s not a regular woman, she’s a freak of a woman. Most those athletes are freaks amongst regular people, she’s just not a freak in the same way most of them are.
- Michael Phelps is taller than the average pro swimmer, has an unusually long upper body and short lower body, longer arms and bigger feet than a regular person of his size would have, all this giving him more pulling power and less drag in the water. His muscles produce less lactic acid than the average athlete, shortening his recovery time.
  
  Nobody has ever called him a freak. His success is attributed to willpower and skill.
- Holy fuck... do you call people with dwarfism or people with missing arms freaks too? Like they belong in a circus?

She got her ass handed over to her and turned instantly into a crybaby. No one in that ring was trans. Get over it or don't sign up for boxing

The article says Khelif was tested last year and returned XY chromosomes (male) not XX chromosomes (female)
- (IBA) president, Umar Kremlev, saying that DNA tests had “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded”.
  
  This incredibly misleading, and I'm guessing since the IBA is currently just a mouth piece for the incredibly homophobic Kremlin.... I'm guessing intentionally so.
  
  Just because you have a xy chromosomes, doesn't mean you're automatically dictated to be sexed as a male. You could very well have a XXY pairing like women with certain types of gonadal dysgenesis, something like Turner's syndrome.
  
  Gender is without a doubt a human construct, but so is the false dichotomy of male/female that most people outside of the medical field view sex.
  
  The intersex population is much larger than most people presume, and the labels in which we use to classify the majority of the population don't really serve a medical purpose for them.
  
  There is no standardization in medicine for Sexual assignment at birth. Sexual assignment in medicine is utilized to categorize treatment needs that are commonly specific to the patient's sex. Intersex patients will require individual assessments, as even patients with the same diagnosis can have wildly different needs.
- It does say that, but she probably does have the usual XX.
  
  The IBA based their decision to exclude her on 2 tests one in 22 and one in 23, never officially said which tests they were to protect their participants privacy, and then the president of the IBA just said they were chromosome tests.
  
  If it was a chromosome test, they would have disqualified her in 22, those don't change in a year. Hell, they would have disqualified her in 2023 before she entered the semi finales.
  
  It seems more likely that she was fine in both tests. I say that because the Olympic people aren't fools, if her Chromosomes were a problem, they wouldn't have allowed her to participate.
  
  Now, why don't the Olympics just trust the IBA? High corruption made them remove the IBA's Olympic status. If you then look at who Khelif beat in 2023 before her disqualification, you might then be Russian a conclusion.
- from what I've read, the russian IBA tested her for testosterone levels, not chromosomes, and then claimed she had XY without releasing any evidence. Not that it really matters anyways.
  
  As per Wikipedia:
  
  Following Khelif's victory over Italy's Angela Carini during the 2024 Olympic Games, rumours surfaced on social media about her gender. These were fuelled by Khelif's disqualification from the 2023 Women's World Boxing Championships organised by the Russian-led International Boxing Association (IBA) for unspecified reasons. There is no evidence that Khelif has XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone.[2] The International Olympic Committee (IOC) and its Paris Boxing Unit stated Khelif was eligible to compete in the Olympics, and criticized the IBA's previous disqualification.[3]
- Chromosomes are not a definitive indicator for sex.
- No, it doesn't.
- Womp womp

Boxing in general is stupid as hell. I feel empathy for both parties here.

Edit: I fee really bad for Imane. She is getting dragged by conservative media, and it's absolute bullshit.

I only meant to say I feel empathy that the Italian woman got her ass handed to her and had to give up so quickly. That's it. That's nothing compared to what Imane is going through.

What’s the problem with boxing?

Are you talking about the sport itself, or all the BS that goes on around it?
- I'm just not into the violence of it. I'm also a hypocrite who still watches football, so don't mind me.

if you actually read and watched the statements from the IOC you would know that khelif was not disqualified by the IBA for having high testosterone (they never did a testosterone test) and instead decided to disqualify her first and then look for a reason and accused her of having XY chromosomes, which I personally don't believe.

https://youtu.be/https://youtube.com/live/QxeIRI2Qcag?t=1912

https://olympics.com/ioc/news/joint-paris-2024-boxing-unit-ioc-statement

https://www.unicef.org/algeria/en/stories/top-female-boxer-imane-khelif-dreams-gold-inspire-young-people

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/olympics/boxer-quits-gender-angela-carini-imane-khelif.html

IMO there should be two categories:

one with the average testosterone content that most women have, but open to anyone that is eligible.
And free.

Current testosterone levels are not the only part of it that needs to be looked at. We as a species have sexual dimorphism. Sure it isn't to the same effect as some other animals such as many insects, but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male. Especially in combat sports.
- but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male.
  
  We have no idea if that is true about Khelif.
  
  I swear. More people need to know about Swyer Syndrome.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
  
  Khelif may not have even known she had a Y chromosome until that test. She may have just thought she had very "masculine" features for a woman.
Why does there need to be a global rule for all sports? Just let all the sports associates decide for themselves, case by case. It's not a big issue and doesn't deserve international news coverage.
Would you reconsider your rule when the champion of every single weight division in your "one with the average testosterone content that most women have, but open to anyone that is eligible" category is a mtf trans person?

I personally don't think it should be controversial to give people born as women some of their own spaces, especially when it simply comes down to a question of fairness.

Was she a cop? It would be unfathomable for them to conceive losing fairly. Lol

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Lmao imagine being an uneducated shitty enough person to post this unironically.

Grow a brain.

There should be a trans league.

She isn't trans
- Yeah, I know it now, do you believe it's some kind of cheating this thing?

It's an easy fix, make another division.

Male
Female
Open

Interesting idea, however Imane Khelif was born a woman and is still a woman.
This is not at all relevant, she's a cis woman
Okay but who would fight in the open category? Everyone mentioned here is a cis woman.