Hyprland is now fully independent!

I feel that like idiot, "ricing" is far enough removed from its roots that its fine. Thats just my opinion though

My partner is Korean, and I asked her if she thought this was racist. She said "it is (technically), but who is getting offended by that?"

I never used the term in the first place, but if I did, I wouldn't stop saying it because I know about its past.

I'm fully convinced that anyone who is sincerely offended by that term is looking for something to be offended by.

I don't waste my time thinking about how "smooth brain" is offensive to people who literally have a smooth brain.

I don't waste my time dictating to the English; their colloquial term for a "cigarette" is inappropriate nowadays.

And I don't waste my time replying to comments on Lemmy regarding semantics.

Oh, wait...

It's so ironic how many downvotes this is getting in the context of this thread.

Fair enough

Languages evolve over time. The term "to serve" is derived from the Latin word for "slave". That does not mean it's somehow offensive to use the term to describe the job of soldiers.

The modern day "riced" comes from "R.I.C.E" which stands for "race inspired car enhancement". If you rice a car, it means you put components that look like race car components but are actually just cosmetic. Fake vents, huge spoilers on family cars, exhausts that are optically bigger, etc. The orange Japanese car in the linked article is an example of that. 70s Japan had renown ricing culture so I guess that's where the R.I.C.E and the racist "rice burner" split.

Nowadays people who use the term "riced" don't even know that at some point in time it had something to do with Asian cars or bikes. It's even common to jokingly associate it with the food with the same name to spite other car nerds because you can "um actually" bait someone to correct you that it has nothing to do with food. Which is obviously not true according to the article but if 99 % of people don't know the racist origin, it's not an issue at all to use the word.

@drspod @earth_walker

Nevermind Southeast Asia is powered by their staple rice. USA is powered by corn, gasoline is goosed with corn alcohol so we have corn burners *LOL*

I'll quote Vaxry from his blog:

"Obviously, the fact that I am banned from contributing to Freedesktop - and by extension wlroots, is another big factor, and probably the one that finally tipped the scales, because I am no longer allowed to participate in discussion or contribute code to wlroots."

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-wlrootsRewrite

"I definitely am not a fan of how seemingly weak people online, especially teenagers, have become. Words are just words. Someone calling another person a "retard" shouldn't really be a big deal."

"I said:

if I run a discord server around cultivating tomatoes, I should not exclude people based on their political beliefs, unless they use my discord server to spread those views. which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn't care, as long as they don't post about gassing people on my server

that is inclusivity

Which I definitely stand by."

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists

And on that note, I condemn in the harshest terms the response from communities like /r/linux on the subject. The vile harassment and hate directed at the FDO officer in question is obscene and completely unjustifiable. I don’t care what window manager or desktop environment you use – this kind of behavior is completely uncalled for. I expect better.

Oh wow. That community is just hateful

It seems like the guy is being genuine here. Or was that pure PR?

I'd say, read Hyprland's responses linked elsewhere in this thread before making any hasty decisions.

It seems (but I'm not sure, to be clear), that it was a situation that got solved, and people are still hung up on it.

It's like that "but you fuck one sheep" joke.

Then you might as well not use linux cause if you don't know, you will be in a shock

I'm SO excited for river 0.4.0 as it will bring a massive architectural change which will basically allow people to build their own Window Manager on top of River. Currently, River is a Wayland Compositor with an extensible Layout Generator Process support via a custom protocol. This change will essentially make River into a hyper-extensible Window manager building system which will make it immensely powerful.

While I use river as daily driver and am very happy with it, I feel people who like Hyprland will find river to be rather limited and barren in terms of looks and availability of plugins.

After this news I switched to using KDE with Karousel, an animation plugin, and a rounded corners plugin (kwin scripts).

I also use a command runner plasmoid to somewhat replicate waybar from shell scripts.

I've been eyeing https://codeberg.org/river/river

That looks awesome! Having used fvwm, I'm a fan of the scrollable desktop

River: https://codeberg.org/river/river

I've been using swayfx, a fork of Sway with a little more eye candy.

I'm a fan of qtile. Used it when it was x11 only and use it on Wayland now.

I can only recommend niri!

I like niri, but I'll be damned if I can get any kind of stability out of it. I'll have myself a flawless time at home testing, but as soon as my laptop enters University Grounds it stops launching apps, or crashes, or whatever else.

Right now I'm using Gnome/PaperWM since Infinite horizontal has changed my workflow so dramatically, and Gnome is more stable for me.

None of the suggestions are even close to how good hyprland is. Like not even a little close.

This was a Discord dumpster fire that was thankfully put out months ago.

Because Vaxry didn't like the public backlash, not because he had any moral problems with the conduct. In fact, he doesn't mind genocide:

This was a Discord dumpster fire that was thankfully put out months ago.

Right, but the original mail from FDO basically said "we know about these examples of bad behavior, we want to notify you that they are definitely unacceptable and we expect to never see something like it again". And Vaxry had a meltdown over that. Among other things, he doesn't get why he should be held accountable for behaviors outside FDO. He has also rejected and commented negatively on the idea of any code of conduct at all for his project. Vaxry is making it as clear as possible that he will make zero commitment to oppose toxicity in his community and people took his word for it. The idea that he was punished solely for a couple of comments that happened years ago and are definitely "fixed" is Vaxry's own misleading interpretation.

I also frequent the discord server often for help with configuring, I have not seen/experienced any of this hatred talked about so much. The worst I've seen is bluntness in delivering a solution or just being ignored because I someone didn't RTFM.

Hyprland is a wonderful piece of technology and I hope it continues to persist.

What if you need to file a bug? What if you have a question on the config that's not easily answered by the docs? If you never, ever find bugs and never, ever have questions, then sure, separate the two. There are genuinely people like that, but they're not common. If you're one of them, then I'm genuinely glad for you.

My opinion is this: You use software. You don't use people, but you sure as hell rely on them.

Since this change is entirely a result of the bad behavior of the maintainer and would not have happened otherwise, this a perfect example of why we fundamentally cannot separate the work from the people who make it.

Even if you do not agree with the social backlash this person is getting, that backlash has real effects on the work.

I, for one, no longer trust that hyprland will remain a well-maintained piece of software given that the maintainer would rather increase their maintenance burden and diverge from using common tools instead of cooperating with the community.

Please note that many users of FOSS are also developers or contributors. Who wants to report a bug or send a patch if the community is worse?

"Let's remove the social element of our social movement"

Great so what's left at that point, the free value FOSS provides to corporations?

If it’s great tool and FOSS why not use it? You use software, not people.

I didn't write about its user base, I wrote about its community – the cesspool that engages among each other. That said, the moment someone opens a bug report, there's a real chance that person gets harassed.

The thing about Foss is that it's typically community oriented. You are not only able to contribute and participate, but you're invited to do so.

And if you're an asshole and your community is toxic then who cares if your code is good? There are other projects I'd rather participate in. Cuz you're not that good.

Would be great, but some people are really strange. Especially bad if you have to let go of the work of some people, because you cant do it on your own.

I wrote community, not user base.

Being a good dev doesn't mean being a good person

Being a good dev doesn't justify being a bad person either.

This wm is dead to me.

violated their code of conduct in places where the code of conduct explicitly does not apply is extremely important here. He never once violated code of conduct anywhere that it did apply, and in public spaces was quite respectful, You could for sure find faults with him, but you could find way more faults with most other developers who still actively contribute to projects hosted on FDO.

Do you have examples of this? Not being contrarian, I actually run Hyprland myself. I'm just curious where the limitations of wlroots have been.

competing standards

People advocating for Xorg make exactly the opposite argument and wlroots got a home at FDO for a reason. Also, this is not a move away from wlroots on technological grounds, it's because the Hyprland developer got banned because of his behavior.