We don't know what Biden is saying behind closed doors, but I'd be willing to bet my left nut that he's really angry at Netanyahu.
Bibi knows he would get full support to wipe out Gaza from Trump.
Biden is still trying to help within a certain frame by sending aid and asking Netanyahu to stop killing civilians. But that's only as much as he can do without completely pulling all funding, weapons and ammo. But there's risks associated to that. Especially with the threat of Iran in the middle East. He doesn't want to lose the support of one of the only allies, if not the only one, in the region.
The whole thing is very complex. There's lots of things at play here and it's all a bunch of shades of gray. Nothing is black and white.
However, there's only one thing that's really important here. Trump must lose. A Trump win would be devastating for world peace. I don't think Americans understand enough how much their country is a central pillar for world peace. The Gaza genocide could be nothing compared to the world wide cluster fuck we could be in if Trump wins.
So get your heads out of your asses, swallow your fucking pride and do the world a fucking favor by voting for the only candidate who still has a chance at not bringing a third, and possibly ultimate, world war.
For real - Trump would have sent whole squadrons of B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza without warning or allowance for any civilian evacuation.
I voted uncommitted in my primary on Tuesday. But I am sure as shit voting for the Democratic nominee, whoever it turns out to be, but realistically, it’s going to be Biden.
I understand precisely how central the US is to world stability at large. I’m not trying to claim the US is perfect, or unambiguously good - we have absolutely done a lot of shitty things over the years. I will assert that the world would likely be a lot more dangerous in a holistic sense if it weren’t for the US’s post-WW2 leadership in the western hemisphere.
The US has deliberately destabilized the Middle East, South and Central America and Southern Asia. What you describe as holistic sense, is in fact the opposite. It is limited to a western perspective, that was culturally formed by almost a century of American supremacism, denial of non western perspectives in media and manufacturing consent propaganda in all levels of society..
The Vietnam war was largely an effort to destabilize the region and prevent economic development by defending a brutal post colonial regime against its own people. It wasn even about communism, as the US was happy to help the genocidal Red Khmer in Cambodia.
The US has toppled something like a dozen democratically elected governments in South and Central America and installed brutal, often fascist regimes, to maximise US company profits.
The US destroyed Iraq, leading to the Insurgency and subsequently ISIS, to keep the Middle East at perpetual destablization after it started to become more stable in the early 2000s. The momentum was then used to destabilize Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. While claiming it was about "democracy" the US was happy to support the coup in Egypt after they kicked out Mubarak and held elections. The now installed Sisi is even worse than Mubarak.
The final example should be Afghanistan, where 20 years of US occupation created nothing tangible and had the country fall back under Taliban control before the last US troops were out.
First thing trump would do is stop all Ukraine aid and give Putin the green light, second thing he'd do is withdraw from NATO.
Exactly.
He literally said today that he will never stop supporting and arming Israel.
I wish more people understood you some deescalate by screaming we're going to kick your ass and force you to stop. That is unless you all want the US fighting on a third front and are willing to eat that cost.
I think a Trump win could mean at least soldiers being sent to Gaza and Ukraine being handed over to Putin in the name of "peace", which would fuel the territorial ambitions of other dictators. A lot of Hungarians are still mad about Treaty of Trianon, see Slovaks as a "fake nation created by the Habsburgs/Jews/communists", and this is only my country. China has it's own territorial ambitions, so are most other regimes.
The fact we have to keep explaining this is dire. You think Trump supporters have to have concerted campaigns everytime Trump eats a baby? No, they lose nothing and we have to keep hearding fucking cats.
Oh I'm not trying to convince Trump supporters. I'm trying to convince liberals who won't vote for Biden over one issue: the Israel-Gaza conflict. Effectively handing over the presidential election to Trump.
for the only candidate who still has a chance at not bringing a third, and possibly ultimate, world war.
Trump hast pulled out US troops from the Middle East. The US strategy for the Middle East and in particular the strategy of supporting Israel no matter what, revolves around perpetual destabilization of the Middle East to prevent the formation of a unified Arab bloc, that would become another global power.
I believe this to be highly implausible. The current US strategy is a danger to peace. Also both Saudi Arabia and Iran are now in the BRICS, so without US divisive interference diplomacy is actually possible in the region.
The whole "Trump will cause WW3" seems to me like a great consipiracy theory peddled to get some of the anti war vote, when the Democrats have been War Hawks since decades. Hillary Clinton campaigned in 2016 on the idea of going to war with Iran. There is many problems with Trump, but on the issue of global war i do not see, why he would be a bigger danger than the Democrats or other Republicans.
Are you serious?
Like someone else said, Trump would likely carpet bomb Gaza indiscriminately. This world increase hate against the US from the Middle East. And would probably encourage certain nations to act against the US.
Trump is also pro Putin. He would let Putin run rampant and he would invade and take over all the old Soviet bloc nations and rule with an iron fist over them. This would put Europe at risk of war. And could potentially drag in NATO members. And have you forgotten that Putin is staunchly against LGBTQ and trans people? This would cause complete chaos.
Honestly the Trolley Problem is a perfect representation of this issue. All leftists in America are being asked to either personally hold a part in a genocide, or to personally abstain and allow greater horrors to be unleashed (including the genocide).
I feel like if it really mapped so cleanly onto the trolley problem, there wouldn't need to be 4 paragraphs of text included throughout the meme in an attempt to head off any arguments...
The general election vote itself is the trolley problem, the paragraphs are detailing other solutions beyond simple voting to try and get out of the trolley problem.
Or vote for a better alternative. I urge everybody to check out Jill Stein or Cornel West. Either one would be a much better president than Trump or Biden.
Unfortunately the lever only goes in two directions.
Primary season is almost over, your chances of getting this done is narrowing.
excellent it’s almost over with 😅 hoping biden responds well
Don't worry, the 'genocide joe' people don't actually care. They like how now they can claim plausible deniability. Once the primaries are over they will make up some new fantasy.
I just want to point out a thing said in this, that I have seen said hundreds of other times, which is not correct.
Due to the spoiler effect, a leftist vote for a third party candidate is essentially a vote for trump
This is incorrect, most charitably interpreted as an exaggeration, but it is said so often I think people are misunderstanding the spoiler effect.
The spoiler effect is real and it can suppress a victory of not-as-bad candidates if they have a popular opposition, but it is never as bad as "essentially voting for trump". It is equivalent to not voting at all, at worst.
And it is also a simplification of the situation to imply that the spoiler effect only affects democrats. There is a similar thing going on with conservative third parties.
eh, you're still effectively supporting trump by not voting for the party that can actually win instead.
It's not as bad as voting for trump, but it's still giving him a better shot at winning than he would have if you voted for biden
But if I'm a leftist, wouldn't I rather any candidate win over the furthest right one?
Obviously I'd want a leftist to be the president, but US politics doesn't work outside of the binary. I voted third party in 2016 and regretted it a lot.
you know what, you are absolutely correct and i would have the same criticism about this post if i saw someone else post it.
i think my mind slipped when i was putting it together and typed words that meant more than i did. my fault.
ill make an effort to fix this.
It is equivalent to not voting at all, at worst.
And this only because some places won't count your votes if the difference isn't big enough to swing the election. This ought to be illegal, but it isn't.
The worst part is that the US supporting Israel is a huge liability at this point for everyone involved. A regional war would harm all parties. There might not be be an Israel if they don't stop their genocide. All US investment will have gone to waste and the entire region will be devastated. Your enemies can't win if everyone is destroyed 💀
Godfuckingdamnit. This is syntax class all over again, isn't it? It's damn obvious, but there's some people who did actually need to solve the trolley problem, and still didn't.
i’m confused what are you saying
My experience with syntax is that we wasted 10s of hours learning concepts that we pick up naturally, that no one would ever need to analyze it with this much detail just to be able to properly speak their native tongue (Spanish in my case). As it turns out, there's plenty of people who have been speaking Spanish their whole lives and still manage to fail somehow.
The original trolley problem is extremely simple and no person should be dumb enough not to save the maximum amount of people. And yet there's plenty of people who feel icky at the prospect of having to take a decision. And yet.
More Trump propaganda on Lemmy I see.
This is the opposite?
lol
"Spoiler effect" is so dumb. like oh, i'm the bad guy for voting for the candidate that you agree is better than the one you voted for??
give me a break. i'm literally not the one to blame for that.
i agree the spoiler effect is dumb. and you’re not the bad guy, the system is.
there are solutions to the spoiler effect problem but when seeking to save lives it tends to help to work within the bounds of the (broken) system.
Over 100 comments and nobody mentioned Biden spoke approvingly of a union leader during the SOTU
And even if Trump and Biden were identical in Gaza, there's also ~20 million LGBT people in the United States and a domestic genocide would actually be bad too (even if Americans are culturally imperialist or something).
What do you guys think about Robert F Kennedy Jr?
Schizo
Sure looks antisemitic. For example:
- Saying Jews are immune to COVID
- The "14/88" tweet, which appears to be two dogwhistles in one
