I have drawn myself as a chad and you as an ugly wojack so my position is clearly the correct one.
Windows users hate this one neat trick.
I mean, Windows 10 is okay, but man have MS really gotten shitty in the last few years.
Yeah, it's cyclical. They're re-entering their shithead phase.
Embrace. Extend. Extinguish. The got smacked with those EU antitrust lawsuits and they reset back to Embrace, and started participating in open-source again. Then they started extending by doing shit like buying GitHub and adding even more cool shit to it. Now they're entering in extinguish phase where they're doing shit like making it difficult to change default browser, and integrating all their services together without the ability to integrate 3rd parties.
They'll (hopefully) get smacked with another EU antitrust lawsuit and reset soon.
In the last few years? You might want to read up on them
Did you read the words on the picture, too?
I feel like I'm going to get flak for taking a position that's not completely anti-Windows, but please try to hear me out before casting judgment. I use both OS and think they both have merit. Linux- for the reasons listed in the meme, and windows- for those without the technical know-how, patience, or time for the better alternative.
That being said, if anyone thinks like how this Ed, Edd, N' Eddy looking mofo in the meme does I'll be the first to say that's a horribly bad take lol
Of course it is. There's 0 reason to come after anyone for choosing Linux as any, if at all, of the extra effort incurred is only going to affect them personally.
Edit: Not even a single flak in the comments, the happiest I've ever been to stand corrected. We've done it, world peace achieved.
I think the problem is preinstalls. No one was born understanding how Windows works, we had gathered that experience over time. If the computer you were introduced to was a Linux system (with X11 and KDE or GNOME), then that would be what you would get used to. Unfortunately, getting Linux preinstalls on laptops is basically impossible. Vendors love that preinstall money.
I think that would not change the opinion much among the existing desktop userbase. That being said the younger generations are not by nature desktop users the way Gen-xers and millennials were. I think getting GNU/Linux as the default desktop for educational settings I think will have. Thankfully there is some traction being made on this front, particularly in places like France, Brazil & Argentina. Then again I guess it's not an either or, as having more vendors with preloaded Educational focused distributions & support would make such adoption more likely to successfully launch in such settings.
I use both. I've tried using Linux on desktop and there's always been a few handfuls of minor but annoying enough issues that make just want to go back to windows on my main computer. For my laptop that I don't use often, Linux is fine. For hosting services on my local network, Linux is fine. Neither are prefect but Linux definitely has come a long ways.
How fucking DARE you. People should be forced to learn how to compile their OS, like Gentoo allows, and then have it crash and burn in front of everybody in social studies when you have to present your LibreOffice presentation about why Teddy Roosevelt was objectively the best president and spent a lot of time on making a slide with Abe the soyjack and Teddy the chad.
/s in case somebody needs it
For me the main issue is the time effort and the incompability with other people and my work that work with Microsoft products.
Linux is slowly getting there, it's developers just need to drop the "git gud" and "special club status" mentality and concentrate more on user experience.
Some people clearly are! Some distros are clearly focused on getting a friendly interface for everything, and proton finally made Linux gaming possible, despite all the grumbling from “purists”
Yeah like I switched and love it and I think the gap is closing fast, but whether linux closes it or windows closes it is still up to chance. The easier Linux gets for everyday users who don’t want to learn command line the more people are going to use it. The more software that just works on Linux the more easily you’ll convince people. It’s not about getting to where your coworkers or your grandma can use it. It’s about getting your in laws to not need your help to use it after a friend recommended it
I prefer Windows because I don’t need all the extra customization and in depth features, and I don’t want to bother setting them up. Like sure I could use commands to queue up file transfers, but I would never have the need and could get 99% of the way there with a drag and drop…
I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣
I don't like using terminal for everything
You don't have to use it for anything. Especially on KDE.
I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer
That's literally what a package manager does for you. Unless you're building everything from source, you'll never have to do this.
I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it.
You basically described the Linux kernel. It's not "bloated", but it has more drivers built into it than Windows does. Even when you plug in a mouse on Windows it literally installs drivers. On Linux stuff just works.
I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣
I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it
I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it.
These two statements are at odds with each other. If you did use Linux at all you would know everything else you said is false.
Not trying to convince anybody, but I decided to switch over to Linux on my personal laptop after having a terrible experience with a forced Windows 11 upgrade on my work laptop. I thought it would be more difficult, but the only time I had to even use the terminal was to maybe fix one of my internal hard drives not auto mounting, and to get a couple programs working. 90% of all my apps work out of flatpak/pre-installed "software store" in Linux Mint. Even been doing some moderate gaming on Steam, and everything just works, mostly. I actually got Outer Wilds working better in Linux than in Windows. There are some oddities, but I am sure they're only "odd" because I've been using Windows since like 1999. I am confident the only thing I'll ever need Windows for is my work laptop and maybe MS Office. I can do 95% of stuff in the brower with MS's online Office 360, but there are some deficiencies.
I am excited to be slightly challenged with a new OS experience!
Yeah, some people just don't have the time to learn Linux and this "it's so much easier than windows!" Nonsense is from people that haven't used it since XP cause the average windows user would absolutely struggle on even the most "just works" distro.
If you're incredibly familiar with something of course you'll think it's easy, that doesn't mean it actually is, it just means you've spent a lot of time doing it.
I'll use Linux for a few things and I do appreciate it, but it's probably never going to be my daily driver as long as I can keep Windows 10 running. I don't like using terminal for everything, I want to click stuff with my stupid 50 button mouse like a dummy, and I don't want to install dependencies every time I went to do something new on my computer, I just want it to come bloated with too many drivers to cover my bases for 90% of use cases and not have to think about it. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but just let me be dumb. 🤣
I stopped reading after Windows and just wanted to tell you to educate yourself. I'd recommend Arch to any sane person.
Brother, we're on the same team. There's a Debian distro on nearly all of my computers. I was just trying to add a bit of nuance to the conversation and bridge the divide. We don't have to be enemies.Edit: I've been had. Bamboozled, even.
Linux isn't an OS. It's just a kernel, which doesn't do much like it self. GNU is an OS and Linux is one of its kernels.
Is it finally the year of the GNU desktop?
He says, while using a command that brings a little convenience at the price of control and security...
I love yes it is an amazing tool. I never had an actual use for it since any tool I might want to use it on (like apt) already has some kind of command line switch for it already
But I just once in a while stumble across yes again and run it for half a minute and have a chuckle.
Just like every time I read: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html
Aw man that thing was so useful during University. The assignment submission tool required saying yes a million times as it explain how the whole thing worked for every submission.
Piping
yesinto it was so much faster.
If Homer had known about the "yes" command the drinking bird would've been out of work.
Terminal has plenty of convenience benefits over GUI as well. For example you can queue up long-running commands to go one after the other, something I didn't realise how useful it was until I was using Linux full time.
I use this one all the time for archiving stuff and moving it from my PC to my file server. Tar archive a folder, generate a checksum, move the new files over to the server, and then delete the original folder:
tar -cvf folder.tar folder && cat folder.tar | sha256sum > folder.tar.sha256 && mv folder.tar folder.tar.sha256 /path/to/remote/file/server/ && rm -rf folder
The && part stops execution if there is any error so the folder is only deleted once everything else is done without issues.
Can't do that with a GUI. Just make sure to proofread before you press enter.
Powershell, released in 2006: Am I a fucking joke to you?
Linux users: Ehhhh, kinda?
Wsl is proof powershell is a joke
for this part yes, automated process often better runs on terminal not GUI.
but that terminal is not exclusive to Linux right? and Windows is not always about GUI.
Sha256 doesn't protect your files when bits flip and they are corrupted. If you want that, add a par2 checksum.
Good advice. Thank you!
A bit of convenience. Right, and a liiiiiittle bit of time as well
Just a little.. Turns into a few hours or a whole day sometimes, not that I hate it though.
and that can be about what you enjoy. I like making my computer so shit. Others like fixing engines or playing video games, they're all different ways to scratch that same itch.
And technical expertise, and the ability to use a computer without accessibility aids, and the notion of what a “format” is so that they can open their kids’ halloween homework assignment without the formatting being completely broken, and the ability to solve computer problems on their own without calling Geek Squad or visiting a Genius Bar…
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"Shit, what did I fuck up?"
Yes, do as I say
Damn it, you beat me to it. A wise linux user you are.
Beat me to it.
The price of convenience is always high.
Sometimes it is justified, sometimes it is not.
However, trading basic privacy protections for “but it’s so easy” is how the dark times happen.
The price of convenience is always high.
Why? I do things that are inconvenient all the time. It's inconvenient that I have to go to work 5 times a week in order to make money. It's inconvenient that I have to get vaccinated so that my immune system is stronger. It's inconvenient to have to meditate for 20 minutes a day to make my thoughts less scattered. And so on.
They are not arguing that everything is convenient.
First they came for privacy
But it was so easy to use.
yes linux is definitely only "slightly" more convenient than windows, and also definitely more reliable
in unrelated news i'm now into my 5th hour trying to get 2077 to run without freezing, and my system has only hard-crashed about 3 times during the process
Ah yes, linux supremacy
If windows 12 is a subscription like the rumors say, it might finally push me to Linux. Right now I haven't moved over just cause there hasn't been a particularly annoying thing to do it yet
Me also. I'm a developer they plays videogames. If the games I want to play ran on Linux, I would daily drive Linux.
My job is C# focused, so my work machine is windows, but I could quite easily run Linux is I didn't have to work on .net Framework projects.
Linux needs more having adoption... But it's a chicken and egg problem
yes \Pretty much the reason to use Lemmy, Kbin or any other Fediverse based system.
At this point trying to get around Windows would be inconvenient. The only "convenience" you're sacrificing is that you're probably been trained from kid to use Windows, and many things just work different on Linux.
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reliability
Why did you quote this one specifically? I only recently shut down a CentOS 5 system that ran for 3300 days.
Linux is very reliable when used continuously in a static environment (eg. a server). I mean, 3300 days is like what, 9 years? (!!)
But as a desktop... let's just say yesterday my friend brought their PC to my house and spent an hour and a half debugging a graphics card issue (yes, it was Nvidia) before we could play Distance (great game btw, highly recommend).
