Next time, Gort will install Debian and save himself the trouble
I wish I could have it as easy as Gort. I miss my debian but I want that ZFS built into my kernel.
The current most popular distribution is MX Linux (based on Debian Stable), which I use. You certainly don't have to, but I would say least start with a distro that respects you and adheres to FOSS standards...
Edit: context
Honestly, instead of trying to remove Snap from Ubuntu, I'd just install another distro (PopOS for example is mostly like Ubuntu but with Flatpak instead of Snap)
Oh, is there a point using PopOS even if I replace the WM?
Pop is great, even without the wm. The app store is top notch, if you're into that sort of thing. Basically it's Ubuntu minus snaps, so slightly more modern Debian, with good flatpak integration making up for all apt's drawbacks. Perfect for the computer you want to be able to use without dealing with out of date packages or rolling release tinkering.
Even so, the wm is worth taking the time to get familiar with, because it's intuitive enough for a non power user, and you're not going to approach its efficiency in terms of workflow unless you can consistently use several dozen keyboard shortcuts on a more bare bones tiling wm. Anyway, that's my opinion, having used a wide variety of window managers since the 90s.
Yeah! Has good power management utilities and bonus features. but personally I'd stick to GNOME/Cosmic if you had Pop installed. You miss out on that integration otherwise.
Yeah, switching to Pop! Next time I do any major fucking around.
How about Devuan?
but with Flatpak instead of Snap
Same shit. Install Gentoo.
Installs Ubuntu.
It is Ubuntu.
Gets angry.Gort is not angry. Gort is calm.
Help me understand. Why would you install a distribution, just to gut what's making it what it is, instead of just getting anything else? Just from Debian derivative perspective, if you hate snaps, why not install something like LMDE Mint, if you need a complete out of the box distro?
I think mainly because a ton of open source software will be tested with Ubuntu, and I don't want another thing that could possibly be the problem when it fails to build on my machine.
Problem is that by "unsnapping", you deviate from "Ubuntu". You start having to add all sorts of third party packages, and the more that is needed, the more the value of aligning with a well tested baseline diminishes. Notably, Ubuntu declares an intent to make everything snaps, including the kernel and bootloader.
So it would seem more productive for someone railing against snap to avoid using Ubuntu and avoid bolstering the reputation of something they fundamentally disagree with.
This is why I often choose an Ubuntu derivative like Pop_OS. Most of the same underlying structure with none of the snaps.
Just use Debian or Linux Mint Debian Edition and call it a day.
Or just use one of the many Ubuntu derivatives that don't force Snap?
I would rather run literally everything in docker than use snaps
"Hang on boss, I have to restart the 'ls' container! Just a jiff!"
I recently tried Ubuntu after many years, needed Docker and it told me to install it as a Snap, I thought, OK, whatever. I'm anything but a newbie, but for the life of me I couldn't figure out where the volumes were actually kept. That was the primary reason to abandon this experiment.
Idea: snap installer called crackle that just unpacks everything (relatively) normally. Should be primarily for pop os. Snap, crackle, and pop.
I just started tinkering with Ubuntu a week ago. What's wrong with snap?
It's a bad, slow and inefficient solution for a problem that is already solved. And because nobody would use their proprietary shit over flatpack, they force the users to use it. Even for things that exist natively in the repositories and would need neither snap nor flatpack.
Best explanation of snaps and their problems i've ever read.
It’s slow, forced by Canonical, and starts a pointless format war with Flatpack.
This computer idiot would also like to know why snap bad.
For computer idiots it's not bad at all. It mostly just works if you don't mess with it and Canonical relies on it to ship software for Ubuntu. It's one of those you should know what you're doing situations if you're using standard Ubuntu and messing with it. If you remove it, you will have to figure out what's shipped via snap and how to supplant it if you want it working, among other potential headaches.
I hate it for the refresh nag messages alone.
The default Firefox in Ubuntu is a snap and I only knew that because due to nagging and having to restart constantly while I was using it and had to learn about snaps and how to install Firefox without them on Ubuntu.
If something exists in native form, use that. If it doesn't or you want some sandboxing (and there is at least some argument for a containerized version that brings all its needed dependencies, for developers not having to test for every linux for example) there's flatpack or appimage. Snap is just Canonical's proprietary alternative to flatpack. And also worse in basically any aspect. So they shove it down their users throat instead. Even for stuff that would be available natively and should just be installed via the normal package manager. And to make really sure, nobody is avoiding their crap, they also redirect commands, so for example using apt to install your browser automatically redirects your command to snap install...
If snap had another store, eg Fdroid to play store, all would be fine. So that's that!
cuz flatpak better
How many time does Canonical have to do sketchy shit before people catch on? Seriously.
I'm just sitting here having no problem with the few snaps I use
Snaps aren’t bad, Canonical might be but then why use Ubuntu?
$ df -h one billion lines of snaps
This annoys me more than it should!
When I still used Ubuntu, I had an alias on all my systems/servers
alias dfh='df -h | grep -v snap'
This shouldn't be necessary.
Am I wrong for ignoring snaps and just using apt-get still?
Some packages are snaps underneath though. Like firefox.
Not if you install Firefox from Flatpak. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Could someone ELI5 whats wrong with snaps? I see hate for them all over the place but as an end user with little technical knowledge of linux packaging they seem fine? I can install them and use them, they don't appear to have any anti-FOSS gotchas, so whats the big deal?
I think it's another fine example of Canonical pushing its own products rather than supporting and enhancing existing standards (flatpak and appimage), which people are getting tired of. Also, as I understand it, the snap store itself is proprietary and is therefore controlled by Canonical.
The server isn't open source, so Canonical has the sole ability to control snap distribution. It's also yet another example of Canonical's "Not Invented Here" syndrome, where they constantly reinvent things so they can control it instead of working with the rest of the open source community. They also trick you into using snaps; for example if you explicitly tell it to use apt to install Firefox, it'll install it as a snap anyways.
Historically they performed really poorly as well, but my understanding is that they've largely fixed that issue.
there was a time when they were slow, but that's mostly been resolved.
but it's really just a cult thing now. people hate snaps because they think they're supposed to hate snaps.
I hate snaps mainly because the server is proprietary. Everything else wrong is negotiable or solvanle, but that's a nonstarter.
If Canonical gives up on snaps, do we call the current Ubuntu time period "the Blip"?
Too late, I'm on Manjaro for the TV computer now. Super annoying when all I use it for is a browser for Jellyfin when the update popup shows up all the time and doesn't even update when you follow its instructions.
I know and did the workaround a couple times, but updates through apt is one of the major strengths of Linux for me. Or pacman now, whatever Manjaro has.
"Ah, come on man, Gort?"
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"Are you talking to me?"
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It's definitely an N word!
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oh, snap!
Portage has everything I need. Especially with overlays, only ones I've added were for steam and librewolf.
It makes me unreasonably happy that I knew what channel that is because I knew that animal from the main channel
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But, docker...
Snaps at least integrate into the command line will. Flatpak running dolphin it's flatpak run org.kde.Dolphin or something compared to snap which is just "dolphin" Doesn't change the fact that you can't get snaps to use Breeze which is unacceptable.
