YouTube suspends Russell Brand from making money off his channel — The suspension comes following the publication of rape and sexual assault allegations against the British star
The BBC also pulled some of the British star's shows from its streaming services following rape and sexual assault allegations against the comedian, who has developed into a "wellness" and conspiracy influencer.
YouTube suspends Russell Brand from making money off his channel — The suspension comes following the publication of rape and sexual assault allegations against the British star::YouTube has blocked Russell Brand from making money off its platform and the BBC pulled some of his shows from its online streaming service in the wake of rape and sexual assault allegations against the comedian-turned-influencer.
Has he been banned from using the Internet? No? Then you’re spewing bullshit. YouTube doesn’t have to host his content and advertisers don’t need to pay him for it. He isn’t entitled to shit. He can fuck off to some right-wing hellscape of a site that will platform him. That’s capitalism baby!
FYI, even if ISP's were absorbed the the government and made into a utility as you suggest, Google would still own YouTube and still be able to demonetize whoever it wants.
I'm not sure why this thread is such a swarm of brainless zero IQ takes.
For 700 years one of the central principles of British law has been that someone shouldn't be punished without being brought in Answer by due Process of the Law.
It's scary how many people are willing to throw that out the window and behave like medieval peasants lynching witches.
This principle exists to shield the people from their government. It is not intended to be (and has never been) a protection for someone's social status or reputation.
Who's throwing him in prison? He's isn't facing any legal consequences as a result of this news. He's facing social consequences from organisations that no longer want to be associated with him. He's free to being a libel case in the UK if he wants to clear his name, but instead he put up a video claiming "they're" out to get him.
I don't think it's that simple. Heinous allegations can make that business relationship untenable. YouTube has an image to protect as well as other partnerships to maintain. There are people (not just wealthy executives) whose livelihood relies on those things,.
If a person's reputation, fair or not, creates a risk to those things, why should YouTube be forced to assume that risk on their behalf?
I agree to an extent, however the reason behind Google cancelling his ads is almost certainly not because Google doesn't want to monetize as much content as humanly possible, but because they expect or know that their advertisers don't want their ads next to an alleged (and possibly convicted in the future) rapist / sexual predator.
Google used to be incredibly hands-off about these things, only terminating someone if they were actually convicted in a court of law.
Compare the cases of Austin Jones (who didn't have his YouTube channel terminated until he was actually convicted of distributing child porn and sentenced to ten years in prison) and EDP445 (who was caught in a pedophile hunter sting operation and was immediately terminated from all social media.)
Google again pretending to be the moral police. Based on accusations of something that might or might not have happened 20 years ago. Apparently they don't have a problem with him being on their platform or showing ads on his videos though, they just want to save some money and look like they're doing the right thing (they are not).
Just a reminder that there are a far more allegations against Trump, and Trump has been found liable for rape, and yet Trump is the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination.
Imagine hating someone so much you bring him into any convo you enter. We get it bro, orange man bad, last I heard he is in jail or something. now shut up!
I can’t stand Trump but I also can’t stand people who don’t shut up about him either, some people make talking about Trump part of their personality and it’s on both sides… but in this case the way the person framed their comment makes sense
Is it against YT TOS or did they take the liberty with this decision
Second, as much as I have always found him sketchy and a very irritating person, I am very alarmed by the erosion of people's right to be presumed innocent until found guilty. even when I know that he is quite capable of the committing those allegation
YT is a private company supplying a server. They can set their own policy (TOS which is neither enforceable by law for either side) and they don’t actually owe anyone their livelihood. It’s like getting kicked off of any platform,even Etsy. Etsy doesn’t then owe you money that you could have made. You don’t own potential money. It’s not promised to you. They are a platform. Not your distributor. And even at that you can be kicked from a distributor anytime as they can also have policies on content they will associate with. If they decide it’s disagreeable, that in itself is a breach of contract.
I don't think the debate is whether YouTube is allowed to choose who is or isn't on their site, but whether it is OK to subject someone to the result of a trial by social media.
If someone made an accusation against you, would you think it'd be right of your employer to sack you, or would you like the chance to defend yourself legally first?
My god... some of the commenters would make you think he was being sent to the lethal injection chamber.
The guy had his account demonetized. He's not even banned from YouTube. He can post as many videos as he wants. He just doesn't get paid for them. Which makes him... like most of us who post YouTube videos. The horror!
It's scary seeing how many people also don't understand that these laws protect you from government entities.
IYoutube is considered a private company, as it isn't run by the government. So, protective laws against government rules don't really apply. Proper court proceeding would be good, yes, but youtube is not the Court. Youtube can and does control what is on their platform. They are contract bound to advertiser interests, and their advertisers don't want to risk encouraging him if he is guilty. That is also their right, as they are also private entities. There is nothing that obligates them to continue funding someone. They could also decide to stop funding because the guy like bagels.
As a private entity, google could theoretically stop every single youtube channel today, if they chose to do so. They can decide to not host your content just because you like potatoes over radishes. It's their private platform.
I don't get why that's complex. Private vs public.
Agreed, but what's really grinding my gears here is he hasn't been banned from YouTube. He just won't make money from his videos. People are complaining because a multimillionaire isn't getting paid by Google. Baffling.
I'm guessing the challenge is advertisers. Advertisers buy ad space next to or in video content. No advertiser wants to buy ad space that is adjacent to or makes it look like they are supporting someone under public scrutiny for sexual assault allegations. So as Google, where you need to sell good ad space to paying advertisers, bother with running ads next to Russel Brand or just say no and make that clear to advertisers to build confidence?
Yeah but they clearly feel there is enough smoke to be worried about a fire and are entitled to cut ties. It may be the case if they don't that people take their impartial inaction to be supporting him. They have ethics and morality clauses in their TOS.
It is their job to make profits. Literally. Google is legally bound by stake holder agreement to maximise profits, absolutely nothing to do with the justice system or any sort of ethical code.
No, but as a private firm it is there decision what they host, promote and show adverts against. He has no contract with YT guaranteeing an income, thats not how it works. If he wants a guaranteed income he should get back on TV with a contact, but he Burt those bridges when he become a conspiracy grifter.
Yea I understand that, but so many content creators get thrown under the bus by YouTube, twitch, etc. that I think there should be a law protecting individuals from big cooperations that they are dependent on.
I know, it’s different in America compared to where I live, here, if you have someone Working for you and you fire that person, depending how long this person works for you already, you have to pay salary for up to 3 months. (There are few reasons that allow cancellation of contract immediately) After you got fired, you can go to a place called "Arbeitslosenkasse" where you get 80% of salary going forward as long as you try to get a new job.
So maybe thats why I find it odd when YouTube just flick a switch upon obligations…
Btw. I don’t know that guy the post is about and highly doubt that he is innocent given the infos I have seen yet.
I have no idea if he did or didn't any of the alleged. But what happened to innocent u til proven guilty? Anyone accused of anything these days gets cancelled.
I mean there are definately people who havent been canceled. Reminder that Chris Brown is probably bigger than he once was and everyone knows hes actually beaten up people
Google is not the law, and they can do whatever they want with their company.
They don’t have to continue to pay him if they don’t want to — innocent, guilty, whichever. Just like they don’t have to continue to host nazi garbage or MAGA garbage if they don’t want to.
Google is not the law, and they can do whatever they want with their company.
Sure, but imagine your employer just fired you because of accusations before it ever reached trial. Illegal? No. Ruining someone's livelihood even though they're innocent legally speaking? Yes.
Not defending this person, I genuinely do not even know who they are. But "private company can do whatever they want, your rights are only something the government has to care about" is a pretty concerning position to take. Not to mention they didn't seem to take down or stop running ads on the channel, just stopped giving him the money. They're profiting off of his content without paying him and using an unverified (but very possibly accurate) accusation as an excuse. That should be illegal.
This only works because Youtube has the loosest form of contracts with its creators. Your regular employers can't fire you because of allegations or hearsay (modulo local labor laws).
This puts Russel Brand in a position to sue for libel and slander as the court of public opinion has already declared him guilty. What happens if he is found innocent at his court case. What if they did this to Johnny Depp?
Cancelled people don't come back!? What fucking planet are you living on?
Bret The Rapist Kavanaugh got everything he wanted after getting cancelled.
Floyd Wife Beater Mayweather will still be remembered for his boxing career than the shit he should be remembered for.
Louie Indecent Exposure CK came back to the Comedy Scene years after getting cancelled only to make disingenuous jokes about his behavior.
These pieces of garbage should hang their heads in shame and suffer social ostracism until all their victims vocally and emphatically forgive them publicly.
The fact we make excuses for and defend these "people" because of their social status and a myriad of legal loopholes that allow for them to walk free with their heads held high while their victims are questioned and vilified is fucking pathetic.
I mean Deshaun Watson came back with 230 million dollars guaranteed after several sexual harrasment allegations. Public image wise hes gone, but that doesnt mean he still doesnt make a shit ton of money (and all of it guaranteed)
Since when did innocent until proven guilty stop being a thing? Not defending anyone here, just seems that principle is all but forgotten in modern society.
That's only a legal principle - he's not in jail, is he? Individuals and organizations can do whatever they want. It has nothing to do with modern society.
You do realize that innocent until proven guilty only applies with the government, right? Normal people and companies do not have to extend the same luxury. Hell our military doesn't even give that luxury.
Another way this could be phrased is - Following serious allegations of rape and sexual assaults advertiser's do not wish to be associated with Russell Brand so YouTube stops showing their adverts on his channel
It's a bit more than an accusation, it's a four year investigation by several media outlets signed off by their legal department. Not someone on twitter.
You have allowed yourself to become so cynical that the only reason you can conceive of for speaking up in another person's defense is that it might be part of some psychological complex from childhood.
If someone made an allegation against you, would you expect your employer to sack you first and ask questions later or would you like the chance to defend yourself legally first?
Dude, people get fired all the time after being arrested or accused of a heinous act. All of this well before ever going to trial. Businesses don't have to and often won't keep someone on that is a risk to their company, culture, or brand identity.
It absolutely sucks that people can lose their livelihood over "he said / she said", but the fact is that it happens all the time.
Low chance, more likely he'll think Brand is some kind of martyr. Brand immediately dove into the Andrew Tate angle.
It's simple: if you're a media personality that uses your influence and money to groom and/or sexually harass or assault women, simply tell your audience that the government is trying to silence you, because "you're a dangerous revolutionary too close to the truth" or anything like that really.
He's the fakest piece of shit around. Not surprising at all.
I've always hated his fake cockney bullshit. You can hear when his accent slips and then suddenly he's all "Knees up muvva brown!" for the next 30 seconds.
Fucking piece of shit is from Essex, the most trash place in the entire UK.
Being a drug addict does not make you working class.
He glamourises drugs and other grubby behaviour and makes a living out of being obnoxious, until people call him out on it, at which point he turns on the waterworks and does the "oh poor little street kid me" act.
All of the top comments in this thread seem very astroturfed. All saying the same thing, all wrong about the doctrinal implications of legal presumptions.
It is very concerning how prominent the "innocent until proven guilty" phrase is getting thrown around. Nothing weird has happened here and this idea never applied anywhere but a courtroom, and yet all these commenters seem convinced of the opposite of both points.
These fucking red pilled incels. Yeah, they can overrun any comment section, but get them in the real world and they scurry back to the shadows roaches.
It's a bit hard to accurately gauge these sorts of things when there is such a large incentive to lie about this stuff to get someone out of the political arena. This is inclusive of all sides. I don't know how we should properly go about these things but the truth is that there are entities with LOTS of money and connections who can ruin anyones life without any hard evidence in an instant. None of us know what happened, it's up to the court of law to properly determine things. But you'd be ignorant to think that the powers that be wouldn't throw rape accusations at anyone who is inconvenient to those in power.
If you watched the piece, there is video evidence of him being a disgusting piece of shit regardless. There was footage of him forcefully kissing a presenter and undoing her bra. The police failed to investigate. These women were failed by lazy, misogynistic police, just like they always are.
To top it off, slander laws in the UK are very strict, no one is going to post accusations like this without serious evidence to back themselves up.
When the evidence presents itself I will make my judgement.
no one is going to post accusations like this without serious evidence to back themselves up.
This is quite the statement to make. I argue that accusations like this get posted all the time without serious evidence to back it up. I will wait for the evidence to come out of him raping someone before I make a judgement in either direction.
Becase people support innocent until proven guilty? I find it reasonable to support that, even though I feel like this case might end with the proven guilty part.
Didn’t he practically brag about treating women like shit until he had a daughter? That’s what his rebirth special was cringefully about. He was literally making money about talking about treating women like shit.
YouTube has blocked Russell Brand from making money off its platform and the BBC pulled some of his shows from its online streaming service in the wake of rape and sexual assault allegations against the comedian-turned-influencer.
Brand has developed a major following on his YouTube channel in recent years, amassing more than 6.6 million subscribers while cultivating a persona as a “wellness” and conspiracy influencer.
The BBC also reported it had removed "some programmes" featuring the former actor that were "deemed to 'fall below public expectations'" from its streaming services, iPlayer and Sounds.
"There is limited content featuring Russell Brand on iPlayer and Sounds," the BBC said in a statement published by the U.K. public broadcaster on Tuesday.
Other platforms hosting material from Brand, including Spotify and Luminary, did not immediately respond to requests for comment from NBC News.
The police department told NBC News it received a report of sexual assault against Brand on Sunday, a day after the publication of the investigation and the airing of a documentary on the subject on Saturday.
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Does YouTube have a precedent of blocking people who have allegations? I know little about Russel and his actions, but the way this whole thing has blown up, has me raising an eyebrow. I know his content is exposing of the establishment so I am wondering if we are seeing something here to take him down? Ultimately, justice needs to take place and until then, he should be treated as innocent until proven guilty.
"Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't exist for Youtube, because they aren't a legal entity.
To them it is "bad publicity means we demonetise your channel" because their customers are the advertisers and they don't want to be next to someone with even accusations of rape.
Look, it wouldn't surprise me if these allegations were true given the kind of person he is and his past behaviour.
But I'll just bring up the example of Kevin Spacey. A man whose career was thrown in the bin over allegations that were untrue. Obviously, we don't learn anything at all.
"She was hit by a car in March and died in the hospital shortly after. No driver was charged for the incident. "
"In September, another accuser died, although his name is unknown. The man, who was a massage therapist, was suing Spacey under the name of "John Doe" for sexual assault. Shortly before the trial began, he died. A source informed Variety that he passed away from cancer. Because of the massage therapist's death, his case against Spacey was dismissed."
"On Christmas Day of 2019, Ari died of an apparent suicide. No further details have been disclosed as of yet."
So I don't think Kevin Spacey is a good example of "innocent man"
Also some people need to read more about the "rumors" that "support" these allegations as they are "open secrets" in Hollywood. For any accusations, a little bit of research can provide very amazingly details about these cases from early 2000 in blogs and gossip Hollywood magazine.