Lemmy turbolibs reporting calls for violence 🥱

Educate, agitate, organize. They will never do this willingly.

a quick Google turned up nothing useful, what is DDD Day?

I can hold two ideas at the same time here, where I understand why it happened as a consequence of rampant evil on behalf of the ownership class, and it's a natural comeuppance after pushing the wrong person too far. (I think we're all shocked it took this long to happen.)

But also, unfortunately as much as we love a good revenge story, planting 3 slugs into another human being, even a nasty one, in cold blood, is not self-defense. The goal of self defense is the reduction of an attacker's ability to cause direct and imminent harm to the defender.

This was assault, and it was murder, and we can reason about the justification behind it, but I sadly don't really know what it will change, besides the bourgeois getting allocated even more of our money to have protection detail and hold their board meetings in walled enclaves or yahts away from the populace.

Violence begets violence. Blood begets blood, and those who live by the sword will die by it also. I think any sane rational person can agree this guy reaped what he and his ilk sowed every day, but still be against slaying human beings on the streets to make a point.

Edit: Knew I was just asking to get ratio'd for not 100% full-throttle stanning the trending narrative, but the actual responses (that I saw) were thought-provoking and well reasoned, so I appreciate that.

Sometimes it seems people forget the value of discourse and only care about "how popular is my opinion right now."

Housing should be on that list as well

First of all in the list Education, without crucifixes above the blackboards

The internet and all the other utilities.

thats kinda every socialist countrys baseline (that works) and its also why the american propaganda associates it with CoMMuNisM.

Education, too. With funding based on region and per student.

Social programs are not "socialism," nor are markets "capitalism." What determines the nature of an economy is what is dominant, the will of Capital or the will of the People. That's why Social Democracies are sliding into austerity, because the Workers never actually siezed control Capital still dominates the system and disparity rises as a consequence.

They can't allow that. That's called leaving money on the table. They will not be satisfied until they have every penny we earn, then, once that food source dries up, they'll go after each other.

Republicans: Best we can do is toothpaste coupons

That's crazy talk. Your teeth aren't part of your body or anything!

Too radical for the Republicans.

And the occasional lenses for my eyeballs.

I know I'm asking for a lot because adequate vision is positively absolutely a luxury, and not at all necessary for doing the vast majority of work or existing in society...but y'know.

They're meat's no good. Compost the rich.

Aristocrats were an offshoot of feudalism, the bourgeoisie are the Capital Owners. The "middle class" is the petite bourgeoisie, who are Capital Owners that must labor, ie small business owners. This was the bourgeoisie, not an aristocrat.

The aristocrats were largely disposed of via bourgeois revolution. Now there is a haute bourgeoisie, like Brian Thompson (net worth >$40M), and a shrinking petite bourgeoisie, A.K.A. the middle class.

I'll condone it

It's been pretty common among the Left.

If they're "anti-violence" and it doesn't even cross their mind that they're defending wage slavery.

They usually have lemmy.world handles. Not saying you are, but the admins and many of the mods of .world are said turbolibs and shaped their instance around it

• Promoting murder
• Planning homicide
• Call for violence
• Given the timing with a murder of a health insurance CEO, the OP appears to be supporting murdering.
• advocating violence

Means nothing to me. What is a turbolib? It's difficult to understand much of anything when everyone has a different name for everyone else.

Maybe define your terms, “bourgeoisie” and “middle class”, and explain where you’re getting these definitions from.

• https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie
• https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Middle_class_(disambiguation)

The term “middle class” has been so hopelessly redefined in so many disparate ways that it’s best to avoid using it altogether. All it does is muddy the conversation.

The Bourgeoisie was the "middle class" when the aristocracy were the upper class. The majority of the world is under Bourgeois rule, not aristocratic rule, any longer, ergo the Bourgeoisie is the upper class.

Bourgeoisie does not simply mean "middle class," it refers to a class of Capitalists. You don't adjust what the word means, but its context.

Class is about relation to the Means of Production, not simple wealth. The US is largely made up of labor aristocracy who benefit from Imperialism, like you pointed out, but aren't bourgeoisie.

Secondly, putting people to death isn't the goal, changing property relations is. Adventurism is cool to see, but doesn't actually change anything.

This is two questions in one. Cowbee is addressing who is and isn’t bourgeois.

As to who lives and who dies: nobody has to die, but history has proven that the capitalist class won’t relinquish power peacefully. They will utilize state violence to retain control of the state and to protect their private property.

Because for the majority of the world, the average American is a selfish bourgeois with a big house and two cars, who thinks oppression is when the gas price rise.

I mean I fucking live here and that's pretty much my assessment as well to be honest. Maybe not your average american if we're working on like, who's right just based on home ownership statistics, but certainly, that's not really an invalid perception.

Whoever has the cajones, that's who