Lemmy Developer removes comment in [email protected] for asking Russians if they are being oppressed by their government and if they support the ukraine war.
Lemmy Developer removes comment in [email protected] for asking Russians if they are being oppressed by their government and if they support the ukraine war.
At some point I have to start wondering if Putin pays these sorts of people.
I could see a strong argument for personal safety around such a question (potential for self-incrimination and going through windows) but bigotry is a head scratcher.
Serious question.. how?
Is everything on Lemmy traceable back to the source?
I legit would not be surprised if Dessalines takes money from some unsavory people to operate .ml as a kind of information war training ground.
User donations are certainly not generating him any real cash flow.
To be fair, the first part of the sentence kinda sounds like an accusation against Russians. However, it isn't something i would consider worthy to be deleted.
I remember when the Ukraine war started and in the comments of one of the first reddit posts were full of Russian people saying how they hated it and they just wanted peace. Nowadays I can't remember the last time I saw someone who is Russian on reddit or Lemmy really.
On the one hand, a quick check of the author's posts shows that he is just an obvious pro-NATO shill and his question was in bad faith, so Dessalines did nothing wrong by kicking him out.
On the other hand, this thread could have led to an insightful discussion that would have been interesting to read, so it's a shame that it was removed.
In the very beginning, .ml had the unique vibe of a truly decentralized international community with thousands of people from all over the world with different worldviews, leading to fiery and thought-provoking discussions in threads. Unfortunately, it is now actively turning into a hexbear/grad style far-left echo chamber.
This may be a controversial opinion, but I think instances and communities should just ban people for acting in bad faith. There’s very little actual insightful discussion that you can have without someone trying to just win some unilateral debate with some really obnoxious comments. I hate seeing people arguing and being rude all over the place.
I try my best to be the change I want to see in the world, but it’s really tough sometimes to try and stay positive and constructive when you’re just enduring endless personal insults
Tankies haven't learned that ignoring things to reduce visibility tend to be more effective censorship than creating a streisand effect.
That's how the west learnt to do deal with it. Manipulate it in the backend, not the front, and if caught, blame it on a bug.
I like it here on lemmy. But people like this being main devs leaves sour taste to it
It honestly makes me concerned about the broader security risks of using lemmy. There's a lot of opportunity for them to target users they don't like by serving them malicious content via lemmy.ml, and they have shown nothing to indicate that they are above this kind of thing imo.
There is a way to block an instance, no? Or maybe I don't understand what you mean..
I think a lot of people are going to switch to piefed once that gets more fleshed out. It federates with all lemmy but has a different and more open dev team working on it. They already have a bunch of cool features lemmy is currently lacking.
By "a lot" I'm guessing you mean a steady and eventually declining population of a few thousand monthly users?
We don't.have a lot of users, even if everyone switches they won't get a lot of users.
Now i recall why there's a push against migrating to lemmy when reddit blackout happened. I thought it doesn't really matter, turns out they're right.
Yeah, it was and is the major issue with lemmy I think.
On the other hand, it's an open source project amd there are likely other contributors that don't agree with them ideologically. And as long as you don't interact with the .ml instance it should not effect you.
There will be assholes everywhere.
The thread the comment was in. Seemed like a very relevant question.
https://lemmy.world/post/21619412
Note that dessalines isn’t even a moderator of the community, but a lemmy.ml instance admin. Instance rule 1 is related to bigotry, so according to Lemmy dev dessalines, it’s bigoted to ask the russian population if they are oppressed or support their country invading ukraine.
Tankies gonna tank. Never question the orthodoxy in an echo bunker.
I feel like using Lemmy.ml here is cheating.
perhaps I should have posted in [email protected] but that sub is basically preaching to the choir
The best reason to use MWoG is how much its existence upsets the tankies. Dessalines in particular is obviosly extremely fragile.
You can cross-post it there, I feel like there is merit to having this get as much exposure as possible. Also [email protected] is another good one, it's a bit smaller but still good place to share stuff like this.
Still good to collect stuff there
The user who posted this is a notorious turbo lib.
notorious turbo lib
Meaning he's someone who concern trolls about "oppression of russians by the russian state" when we all know Putin is a great leader and all those dead Ukranian nazis is a good thing and being a conquering empire is actually okay if you're not western?
Shut the fuck up.
I’m an anarchist lol?
Then it should be easy for you to disagree with them in comments
Could you please provide evidence for this claim?
turbo lol
Ye that's a ptb
I feel like we need something along the lines of "ML - Yes, that's lemmy.ml" added to the acronym list. Or maybe "WKB - Well known bastards"?
What's rule 1 anyway? I don't want to wade into that cesspool to find out?
Rule 1 is whatever they want it to be. They don't moderate anything in good faith at ml.
much like codes of conduct I feel like it's a false flag to handwave bad moderation using questionable interpretations of subjective terminology.
instance rule 1 is no bigotry.
Since dessalines is not a mod but an instance admin I assume that’s the justification for the removal.
"Open-ended question"
Edit: Why you two downvoting this? I literally just quoted the rule to answer their question. lol
I think the instance reason was why it was removed. Otherwise that would be extremely weird enforcement of open ended questions rule. Enforcing it on a random comment, while the original post itself is a single yes/no question…