They go out of their way in the article to not cast any partisan aspirations on the scheme. But it is the same county where Tina Peters used to be the county clerk, and is now in jail after being convicted of election shenanigans for Trump. And it looks like it had the complicity of at least one judge.
Watch this one, folks. The details sadly won't come out until after the election, but when they do I think we will find that Republican talk about election fraud is also projection, like all their other complaints.
It's so fucking disgusting. The Republicans have 252527171 ways to try to win this, and we have 1.
Kamala needs to be perfect and Trump could walk on stage with nothing but a shit filled diaper, do the Hitler salute and somehow gain in the poles... It's infuriating.
You're probably right but I don't really get it. Mesa County is so red that Trump won by 28 points in 2020. What was this person trying to achieve? For that matter, what was Tina Peters was trying to achieve? I just don't understand how either of them could have made a difference when, in 2020, Trump won by over 25K votes out of a total of 91K votes cast and 107K registered voters.
Perhaps they wanted it to be caught, where it wouldn't make a difference if it wasn't, in order to shore up their future claims that more of the same occurred in more competitive districts. As well as undermining faith in the election as a whole.
It is always projection. There have been previous Republican voters fraud cases in the last election(s).
At least it's an easy alert for what problems to look for. If they're declaring "the other guys" are doing something, they're already doing it themselves.
They were trying to, uh... outspit god for scrump. No wait, that's not it, uh... emit cod for gump? That doesn't sound right either... OH, I think I get it: they were trying to commit fraud for Trump.
I mean, it's true that they don't actually know the motive.
You can make a strong educated guess, and you'd probably be right, but until there is a full investigation leading to a conviction, they can't say that for sure.
With less than 100k voters in the county, there is a non-zero chance that the margin will be within 3 votes, and now this scheme has given both sides a legitimate excuse to hold up certification if the margin is close. Even if it's not within 3 votes, we know there is shady shit going on.
Now, it does look like this county is heavily Republican. But the State will probably go to Harris, so any delays might endanger the casting of CO's 10 Electoral Votes .
However, three ballots were counted before election officials could pull them from the process because they passed through the signature verification process. Those votes cannot be remedied or removed.
What? So the person whose ballot was stolen now has their vote cast for trump (let's be real there is a 99.99% chance it was a trumper who did this even they are being coy about it) and there is nothing they can do about it? WTF?
They will likely revamp the process. The problem is, once the ballot is counted, the vote is separated from the voter, so there's no link to who the person was and who they voted for.
It's a process meant for privacy. That someone was able to accurately forge signatures enough to pass verification (which is handled by trained humans) is a bit on the "this was creepy/planned" side, which is likely how the outlier event happened.
America isn't there yet, but cryptographic hashes anonymizing but connecting a vote to a voter, so the vote could be anonymously recalled for an attack like this would likely be the best privacy-preserving process.
That's how I interpreted it, yes. The criminal(s) succeeded in getting 3 illegal votes into the count beyond retrieval. The victims of stolen ballots need not lose their votes.
I think it's a poor phrasing. A more accurate statement would have been, "We have not been able to confirm a motive at this time" or similar. Basically leaving room for the idea that we all more or less know what the motive was, while acknowledging that's it has not (yet) been proven conclusively.
Griswold said she also couldn’t discuss the “political implications” of the case, meaning whether the person or people behind the scheme had a political motivation and what candidates they voted for on the stolen ballots.
“We don’t know the motive,” she said.
Hmm, can we place bets on which party the fraudulent votes supported? And maybe taking a look at that would give a clue to the motive?
Not really - both sides have somebody that is willing to cheat. That one was caught does not mean the other isn't also trying to cheat. Unless they can conclusively implicate the high leadership and not just a small local group of course - I doubt they can. Implicating the whole because of a few bad apples is election interference and must only be done on strong evidence which I doubt they have time to gather.
Well, you see, when every single time election fraud and election interference has been found it is only on the same side, then it tends to make people think there might be something going on in that one side.
Go touch a cow. How hard is it to check a dozen fraudulent votes and work out who these votes were for. I’m willing to bet they are not for ‘both sides’
You can actually point to Trump's fake electors scandal, or the J6 attempt to taint the chain of custody for the state ballot counts before they could be certified at the Capitol, on the day and at the time the riot was orchestrated.
They're real world Republican led attempts by Trump and co. to endangered the democratic process.
So what are you going to point to in the other direction? Do you have anything?
....and you better not say the Russian interference claims, because they were confimed by a bipartisan intelligence committee, not the Democratic party. The commitee was even led by Republicans.
This isn’t a both sides issue. Every time we find actual voter fraud occurring in the US, republicans are committing the crime. Be it election worker intimidation, submitting falsified votes, or attempting a coup with fake electors, republicans are behind it every time. GOP policies are so unpopular they need to cheat to win - this shouldn’t be surprising to anyone.
At the cost of voter anonymity, which shows exactly what is wrong with voting by mail. It's impossible to prevent fraud while preserving anonymity. Not silly billy at all.