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Congratulations to the "good guys", you sacrificed thousands of Ukrainians but now you have funny memes about Kursk, so it was definitely worth it.
Fuck the imperialist russian state. They had an invasion coming the moment they invaded and annexed crimea.
Okay, you hate Russia.
But why do you hate Ukrainians? Why do we have to die for your grudge with Russia?This operation has the potential to better Ukraine's strategic position greatly. Ukraine winning means the dying of civilians stops. Ukraine giving up would not have the same result.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Czechoslovakia? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Poland? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered the Netherlands? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Denmark? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered France? - No.
Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Norway? - No.
Ww2 ended, when Nazi Germany was defeated.
would ukraine winning mean civilians stop dying in the eastern oblasts where the coup regime have been murdering civilians and bombing and shelling them since 2014?
Ukraine winning means the dying of civilians stops. Ukraine giving up would not have the same result.
Ukraine winning, Ukraine giving up, Ukraine making a peace deal with Russia, Russia winning - all those options will mean the dying of civilians stops.
The only option where people will continue to die is the option you (probably) support - continuing the war.That is not my perception.
Russia winning means, the dying will continue in the suppression of their new subjects and in future invasions since this one would have been successful in the end.
How many people have died from "supression" (whatever it means in this context) in the Crimea, that has been occupied for 10 years now?
And the next question - how come this number (is it 0 or more?) is less then the number of civilians (some of whom be Ukrainians or ex-Ukrainians) that died from Ukrainian shelling of Crimea?
Do you think people should have a choice of dying in this, very real, war, or in some hypothetical could-happen war in the future?Bro people died defending it and the rest fled so they weren't raped or sledgehammered to death.
What's your solution dipshit.
Bro people died defending it and the rest fled so they weren't raped or sledgehammered to death.
Are we still talking about Crimea? Because what you are saying is completely false...
Please link some proofs to what you're saying.
Are you honestly looking for proof of the crimean invasion famously costing Ukraine an international airport and many many dead defenders.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport
The only people who say no one died dispite all evidence otherwise is Russia.
Ed: PS claiming you're Ukrainian is pretty shitty boss, you clearly aren't what's next you have cancer and a Canadian girlfriend?
You lie, moskals have been observed to continue stealing, raping, killing and ethnic cleansing long after any hostilities ceased in many armed conflicts before. Their behaviour in Bucha and elsewhere proves they haven't changed one bit.
moskal
Oh wow we got some "have to blow off the dust it is so old" racism here
I'm not the one who invaded Ukraine, but i support them fighting back against the aggressor.
would you rather just roll over and let russia take over?
You support who fighting back against the aggressor?
People who are now trapped in the biggest mass prison in the world? People who are trying to escape this prison by any means, including through the occupied territories, mountains and rivers? People who are afraid to leave homes and go to grocery shops, because any day they might be kidnapped by "recruitment officers" and forcefully sent to die?
You are not supporting us, you are killing us, together with Russia.
Lots of Russians died too, so as far as they're concerned it's a win.
they could have surrendered just like the other Russians did.
That's not really how wars work in the 2020s. There's no opportunity to surrender when you get droned in a truck miles away from the front lines or hit by a glide-bomb in your barracks hundreds of miles from the front. We saw the same thing in the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia.
Okay call it not surrendering then but deserting and then surrender.
Between deserting and surrendering is sneaking across miles of territory, through the front lines, in hopes that the other side accepts your surrender and puts you in a POW camp instead of droning the guy in an enemy uniform sneaking towards their position.
We've seen plenty of videos of both sides droning people trying to surrender.
Not "lots of", more Russian soldiers died than Ukrainians, as is typical for this conflict.
Oh good, more Russian orphans than Ukrainian orphans were created. That makes this all worthwhile.
emphasis on the soldiers part but alright
plus, in war casualties are what matters. I'm only looking at this from a strategic perspective, not a humanitarian one.
Good, maybe that way they grow a spine and overthrow their government instead of rape and kidnapping children in Ukraine
Yeah, it's really convenient when you can force other people to fight and die for your war..
In our defense we didn’t invade either country.
one of the very few u havent
True, but this war isn’t ours. We just provided matériel to an ally who was invaded. That’s what we’re supposed to do.
yes amerikkka and its european puppets ONLY, supported a qoup and its resulting regime, tried to pull said qoup regime into an allience of aggression designed to threaten Russia, provided said regime with weapons, provides said regime with munitions, provides said regime with satellite data to make it possible to target stuff, provides said regime with money, proivides said regimes soldiers with training and encourages mercenaries to go fight for said regime.
yep its NOT a proxiwar and amerikkka is NOT involved in any meaningful way, and for sure gold stars do NOT keep appearing at a much higher rate than before in the CIAs stupid war criminal celebration wall.
Ohhhh you’re not at all concerned with reality. Go away and let the sane people talk
my guy u are looking at a proxy war and not seeing it, reality cant even approach ur liberalism poisoned mind.
The only one killing Ukrainians is Russia pig
The West offered Zelensky a way out and to give up the moment the war started. He and his country refused and asked for weapons to defend themselves against a tyrant that will never stop. How exactly did the west force Ukraine to fight?
The West offered Zelwnsky a way out and to give up the moment the war started.
What? The west (and especially Boris Johnson) encouraged Zelensky to fight and encouraged him to drop the peace proposal (which included Russia going back to pre-2022 invasion borders!).
He and his country refused
Just "He".
How exactly did the west force Ukraine to fight?
The west supports Zelensky's regime, which kidnaps people on the streets and sends them to die.
Zelensky could have fled. He refused. Ukrainians could have surrendered, they refused surprising everyone. Putin will never stop unless he is stopped. To support Ukraine surrendering is to support many many more Ukrainian deaths in the future.
Ukrainians could have surrendered
No. We don't have a choice. We cannot even choose our president, much less choosing to end the war. We cannot speak out against our government (except anonymously like I do). People cannot even fucking leave their houses without fear of being kidnapped.
Then go to Russia, I'm sure they'd be more than willing to send you to the front to kill your fellow Ukrainian brothers and sisters, and it'll get you out of the "prison" that is supposedly Ukraine. 🙄
Wtf is the point of your comment chain? I've seen and heard no claims that Ukraine is kidnapping people off the street to be sent to the front, outside of Russian owned state media. The same media that hides and covers up the fact that Russia is doing exactly what you're describing to its own citizens.
Ukraine was invaded, and the country chose to defend itself as opposed to roll over and take Putin's boot on their throat. The invasion was begun under a completely fabricated claim about historical Russian boundaries. Zelensky and Ukraine have, to me, been nothing but up front about their motives, their rationale, and pride they have for their country.
I'm sure they'd be ashamed to know you think so little of your brother and sister Ukrainians, but then again, it sure sounds like you'd rather have a Russian boot on your neck than a Ukrainian uniform on your shoulders. Cowardly, and pathetic. I wouldn't spit in your direction, it'd be an insult to the spit.
Then go to Russia
If I were in Ukraine, I'd be wishing for opportunity to go to Russia, because it's one of the few ways to escape it... Thankfully I've left before the war started, so I don't need to.
get you out of the “prison” that is supposedly Ukraine. 🙄
Supposedly?? What the hell do you mean by that? https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411
Wtf is the point of your comment chain?
And in the next sentence you say:
I’ve seen and heard no claims that Ukraine is kidnapping people off the street to be sent to the front, outside of Russian owned state media.
Well, exactly so that you have a chance to see it, and stop thinking of yourself as a good guy who is helping Ukrainians while in reality you are helping to murder us.
Here is an archive with tons of videos of kidnapping people: https://uadraftmuseum.ch/
And inb4 you claim that this is Russian propaganda, here are links to other websites just with less content:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukraine-urgently-needs-soldiers-but-some-men-are-desperate-not-to-fight/ar-BB1naQUE
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-war-recruitment/32310040.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscriptionThe same media that hides and covers up the fact that Russia is doing exactly what you’re describing to its own citizens.
Well, I never claimed that Russia is the good guy here, but they are not doing exactly the same. They have conscription, but they don't fucking kidnap people from the streets (or at least on a way smaller scale..) and they don't turn their country into a mass prison that you can't leave.
and the country chose to defend itself
Zelensky's regime decided to turn country into a mass-prison and kidnap people and send them to die. It is not "country choosing to defend itself".
I’m sure they’d be ashamed to know you think so little of your brother and sister Ukrainians
My Ukrainian "brothers" either already escaped Ukraine, or are trying to, or just trying to survive there. The "sisters" left a long time ago.
it sure sounds like you’d rather have a Russian boot on your neck
What "Russian boot"? I might have missed what happened to people in Crimea, living under "Russian boot" for 10 years now... How many have died or been repressed? From Russia's hand I mean, not from Ukrainian shelling of Crimea..
But I mean yeah, obviously I'd prefer living under Russian boot than under Ukrainian boot, with Russian boot at least I'd not fear being kidnapped on the street and sent to die, and being able to freely leave a country sounds nice as well...If I were in Ukraine, I'd be wishing for opportunity to go to Russia, because it's one of the few ways to escape it... Thankfully I've left before the war started, so I don't need to.
So again, pathetic and a coward, assuming you're from Ukraine at all, Comrade. 🙄
Supposedly?? What the hell do you mean by that? https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411
Huh, a country being invaded needs men to fight, who would've fucking thought. So what's your solution? End the war and let Russia have their way? Makes sense, it doesn't affect you in the slightest as a coward who fled his homeland and now comes online to trash it and defend the invaders.
Pathetic coward.
Well, exactly so that you have a chance to see it, and stop thinking of yourself as a good guy who is helping Ukrainians while in reality you are helping to murder us.
Right, so if the West stopped supplying arms to Ukraine to defend themselves against an unlawful aggressor, Russia will immediately stop the invasion?
Tell me, is that why Ukraine's military chooses to bomb and seek out strategic resources for their attacks, while Russia bombs apartment buildings and city centers? Yep, must be that pesky western influence that wants to check notes stop the authoritarian creep of Russia as they attempt to reclaim their Soviet satellite states.
You're right, the West is to blame for Russia invading another country, raping, and slaughtering its people. I'm sure the people being killed and injured in Russia's bombing attacks really wish the Russians would just take over already and turn them into second-class citizens, at fucking best.
Pathetic coward.
Well, I never claimed that Russia is the good guy here, but they are not doing exactly the same.
No, you are, because if you weren't, you wouldn't be defending Russia at all in any of this, because they are 100% in the wrong, from start to finish. And yes, they are doing exactly the same thing. Russia has pulled people out of their prisons and sent them to the front lines, so do they not count as people to you, because they're prisoners?
Russia has also been sending captured Ukrainian troops to the front lines, along with kidnapping their own men off the streets and sending them into battle with few supplies, if any. Like, are you fucking dense, man? Eyes wide shut kind of thing?
Pathetic coward.
Zelensky's regime decided to turn country into a mass-prison and kidnap people and send them to die. It is not "country choosing to defend itself".
Zelensky was elected by the Ukrainian people, it's not a fucking regime. And he went to war with the backing of his people. I'm sorry Ukraine was the first target Russia had in their quest to reclaim the glory that was the Soviet Union 🙄 But they are, and they could have chosen to bend the knee to Russia, or rightfully, defend themselves.
They, the people of Ukraine, chose to defend themselves, so fuck right off with this "Zelensky evil dictator" bullshit. He's not, he's just fucking not. If the people of Ukraine didn't want to defend their homeland, the troops would just surrender instead of fighting back, and they're fucking not.
So fuck right off, you pathetic coward, and I feel sorry for whatever country your cowardly ass ended up in. Hope they're never invaded, we'll all know the first person will be that starts sucking his invaders cocks down to the balls.
I think he didn't get it, he need to be reminded a few more times of how much pathetic and coward he is
Oh well, writing more responses to you wouldn't make sense, clearly you're only here for personal attacks :/
At least I'm not selling out my supposed homeland to their invaders.
Pathetic coward.
Sure is brave of you to call people cowards for not fighting your battle.
Why don't you go to Ukraine and fight?
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It's not my battle, my country wasn't invaded. His was, but he had already left, and refuses to go back and help, but defends the people invading his country. That's pathetic and cowardly, and spoken by someone in a position of privilege from foreign soil (again, he left before the invasion) but claims to speak for his countrymen and women actually living through the atrocities and attacks.
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My country is supplying military aid to Ukraine via my tax dollars, so while I'm not directly fighting, my country and myself are assisting them in their effort to defend themselves against an unjustified invasion.
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I am a veteran of my country's armed services, can you say the same?
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I also never told him to go fight, but it seems pathetic and cowardly to sit behind a computer screen in another country, claim to speak on behalf of your home nation while propagating Russian-media talking points. So I stand by what I've said.
It’s not my battle
Do you think we'd be sending them weapons (and buying up their assets for pennies) if this battle wasn't yours?
My country is supplying military aid to Ukraine via my tax dollars
They've also supported Israel. By that logic, you, personally are assisting them in genocide.
I am a veteran of my country’s armed services, can you say the same?
I will serve crack before I serve this country. Look at every military action in this country's history since WWII. In none of them were we the good guys.
I also never told him to go fight
Oh fuck off. He knows more about the situation than you do. He is right there experiencing it.
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and encouraged him to drop the peace proposal (which included Russia going back to pre-2022 invasion borders!).
I would love to see the source on that.
Neither of those say Russia was willing to agree to pre 2022 borders.
Try again.
Neither of those say Russia was winning to agree to pre 2022 borders.
Try again.
It quite literally says that (I assume its "willing" instead of "winning"), also linking to a source.. Quote:
Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO, and Russia would have withdrawn to its prewar boundaries.
Cede to Russian demands on a sovereign nation they have hostily invaded.
Russia was “prepared to end the war if we agreed to,—as Finland once did,—neutrality, and committed that we would not join NATO.” He importantly adds that the NATO promise was the “key point” for Russia and that “Everything else was simply rhetoric and political ‘seasoning’.”
Your source refutes your bullshit "Western pressure" argument, Russian pressure was to literally invade and try to use Ukrainian territory to leverage against Ukraine.
Arakhamiya is the third well placed official to make the claim that Russia’s primary reason for invading Ukraine was to stop NATO expansion east to its borders and, particularly, Ukraine’s NATO aspirations.
Your source essentially ignores that the war could have "stopped" before it started off Russia didn't choose to invade a sovereign nation specifically to spite NATO. But no, you're right I'm sure if they just stop fighting and roll over Russia certainly won't invade again and pull the same shit again.
Your idealism or stupidity is almost admirably idiotic.
Your source refutes your bullshit "Western pressure" argument, Russian pressure was to literally invade and try to use Ukrainian territory to leverage against Ukraine.
Quote needed :)
I've said that the west encouraged Zelensky to fight, and the part you've linked doesn't refute it.if they just stop fighting
"They" can fight all they want, till the last person standing if they want. They are forcing other people to fight for them though.
is this what the lastest stage of a copium addiction looks like?
Zelensky wasn't offered a ride out of Ukraine? Is that what RT tells you?