You're Being Lied To. The EV Market Hasn't 'Stalled'

The US EV market is only stalling because the lobbyist are purposefully crippling development, the manufacturers are circlejerking each other, and every foreign brand either has no interest in selling in the US, or is banned from doing so

Fucking protectionism.
- You're probably cheering on the outsourcing of techworkers too, right? Who cares about the safety of the people building the things we want to buy cheaply, right?
  
  Protectionism can go too far and often does, but it isn't unnecessary for healthy societies. Free, unregulated trade isn't always the right answer.
- Ehhhhh, a lot of it is “highway safety standards”
A big portion of the market in the US is from foreign brands. The only domestic companies are Tesla, Rivian, GM, and Ford. The rest is Hyundai, Kia, VW, BMW, Toyota, etc. China isn't banned from selling here but like in Europe, has a tariff because they're trying to manipulate the market with unsustainable subsidies for their own national brands at the exclusion of everyone else.
Development isn't being crippled. No one wants to develope because China makes them so much cheaper.

Anyone who thinks EVs aren't the future is wrong. But anyone who thinks there's not a rightful lull in the EV market is also wrong.

All the early adopters are already onboard. Next are the people who are inclined towards EVs but need to be convinced they're ready. There aren't chargers everywhere, they're slow to charge compared to pumping gas, there isn't yet a universal plug, and battery technology needs to improve. Until these issues are addressed adoption is going to be incremental.

They're also just more expensive. And everyone is already balking at current car prices.
- More expensive upfront, negating all of the benefit of lower power costs for years. And huge expense on the horizon with an uncertain timing for battery replacement that negates secondary market value at some point.
- Not exactly. Used EVs are already cheaper than comparable ICE vehicles, in large part because new EV sticker prices have dropped so much in the last 2 years.
  
  If you're shopping for a car with a specific budget, you should be able to pick and choose between many different models, many of which are EVs.
I don't want a new car full stop. Too much tech. Too many new integrated features to break. Too much spying. Not enough maintenance that can be done by the owner. If you gave me a car with less tech and a battery I'd probably be fine with it. But I have to listen to all the BS from people who work on electric cars several times a week, and I gotta tell ya, I'm not convinced to buy any new car. Not just EV's or hybrids.
- Yep give me a dumb electric car.
- Too much tech that's so deeply integrated, little fender benders total the car. It sucks.
Might it be that the chargers are mostly less known? The few times I wanted to have a charger on the road there were ample (fast) options on my way. Discoverable through various apps. This is within Europe, no idea about other places. Europe also has CCS for fast charging so no connector issue (adapter needed on Tesla but it works).

It used to be more of a challenge 10 years ago but even then is was feasible to reach destinations quite far. Detours were sometimes needed back then.

You know what would be nice, cars that don't fucking spy on you and sell your every move and location.

That would be nice, but are you implying that the same manufacturers that put spyware in one vehicle refrain from doing it in the other solely based on drivetrain? I try to come up with a logical reason, but I fall short.
- Oh sorry, I thought we were shitting on US car manufacturers.

The US auto manufacturers have stalled.

BYD is selling like cray all over the world.

Make them more affordable and not riddled with spyware and maybe we can talk about it when my current car breaks down. Car makers used EVs as an excuse to make their surveillance even more pervasive and we've already seen leaks of cabin cameras and microphones.

I can't imagine a future of non-electric cars (assuming cars remain the dominate form of transportation in the US because we suck). They're so much better than ICE cars and it's not even close.

I've owned a Spark EV and a Bolt EV, basically the cheapest EVs you can get, and they're two of the best cars I've ever driven. Driving a family member's brand new ICE Kia felt like going back 50 years. It's so slow, it makes so much noise, it feels like a boat, ugh.

If I had twice the budget for a car, I'd get an Ioniq 5 or 6. If I had quadruple the budget, I'd get a Lucid. If I had half the budget, I'm going back to the ~~street legal go-kart~~ Spark EV. I just can't even consider ICE cars as options anymore after getting used to an EV.

Same. Got a Bolt EUV and it's easily the nicest car we've owned. Can't see ourselves ever going back to an ICE vehicle. No stopping for gas, no oil changes or smog checks, and nearly free charging with solar...whole experience has been amazing.
If people in townhomes, condos, and apartments can conveniently charge while sleeping, they'll switch eventually if it saves them money.
Meh. PHEV.

Same benefits, less drawback.

But EV people hate them.
- Phev the worst of both worlds. All the maintenance of an ice engine and all of the expensive components and weight of an EV.
  
  There is a niche.. but a proper ev is just good.

I recently needed a new car. It was 10k more for plug-in hybrid or 15k more for EV. Ugh! They're not making it easy to get off the gas.

If it helps, the maintenance is dirt cheap. Compared to my last ICE car, the inspections are roughly 130 euro cheaper each (not counting inflation!), and the only real maintenance costs have been new tires, pollen filters and wipers (and that one time a moron drove over my charging cable and ripped out the port)

There are fewer moving parts, no oil*, no gaskets, no weird gas recirculating systems, no pumps. The brakes basically don't wear out because of regenerative braking.

*Except for a fixed reduction gear.