EU has its many flaws but they pretty much doing their job in regards of consumer rights, human rights and protection of personal data.
If we could only fix that veto issue... And the parliament issue... Someday hopefully :')
Human rights? Lol I wish, frontex is just waiting to start shooting migrants at the borders
Unpopular opinion: most migrants come to Europe from safe countries. We should absolutely 100% allow people who flee from war zones to take refuge in Europe. But most migrants who currently cross the border illegally are coming from places like Turkey or Morocco. Is there a war tearing these countries apart that I do not know about? I agree, asylum is a human right, but it’s just that: a right. It’s not an obligation. People abuse that right and then complain they’re not handed stuff on a silver plate.
If Europe went to war right now, like in the good old days, I’d flee to safety as well. No doubt about that. But I’d be happy to take refuge in the nearest safe country, not try to get into Canada illegally, just because I heard it’s a nice place to live.
Hope for same work direction in the future!
The European Convention of Human Rights, the Council of Europe and its court looks after human rights, not the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights
Question, do these bodies have teeth? And if so would these teeth exist without the EU?
My understanding of the EU is that the only thing they can really do to coerce uncooperative members is threaten to revoke membership.
So, if these bodies are not EU, and it wants to impose a sanction against a member nation, by what mechanism can it enforce that?
Just wondering.
The battery thing is for the environment
DO MANDATORY 3.5mm JACK NOW
THE PERSON THAT DOWNVOTED THIS DESERVES THEIR AIRPODS TO RUN OUT OF BATTERY DURING A 12 HOUR FLIGHT SITTING NEXT TO A CHILD AND THEIR CHATTY NO-VAX-MAKING-MY-OWN-BREAD-LOOK-AT-THE-PICTURES-OF-MY-C-SECTION-DELIVERY MOTHER
That's why you carry two sets of Airpods on a 12 hour flight. /s
Jeeez
+a beefed up amplifier otherwise little point.
The number of times and situation I've wished I had wired earbuds. And this is someone who generally uses wireless headphones. The fact that they removed it in the first place is bs
User expandable/replaceable storage, please.
There's no reason whatsoever that a 2TB iPad should cost £1250 more than a 128GB one. I put an extra 2TB in my PS5 the other week for under £100.
Honestly one of my favorite things about my ps5. I can appreciate the small repair moves, but I’d still appreciate „Other OS” being brought back.
That's the reason back in 2013 or so I switched to PS3 for my main gaming. MS wanted a shitload for a tiny ass 360 hard drive, but with Sony it came with a 250GB drive out the gate and I replaced it with a 1TB for less than the 250 from Microsoft
Of course, I switched to PC because Sony got greedy again with no mp3s on the system, trying to make me re-buy games I already had, and charging for online
I have a 512gb micro SD card in my phone.. you just need to avoid the premium phones then you have options
Fairphone still puts SD-Card slots in their phones, i doubled my storage for 40€
I'm still bitter that Samsung delayed the release of their PCIe 4.0 SSDs because Sony was buying up all their NAND stock, only for them to be sold to scalpers.
With phones and tablets I can understand, honestly. Soldered-in insanely fast storage space is quite expensive. Only recently a 2TB NVMe drive (much slower than what’s in an iPad) came down to reasonable prices. 1k+ is still a hella overcharge, but for the type memory it is, I can understand it being more than a standard NVMe.
Expanded storage slots would be great, too… but slow as shit I’d it’s SD. Are iPads waterproof? If not, then that’s not an issue, but if they are, I could see that being a problem as well.
I can't find any evidence that the inbuilt iPad Pro SSD is faster than modern NVMe SSDs. It's somewhere between 1 and 3 GB/s depending on the model. The Crucial P5 I got ran quite happily in the PS5 at about 5GB/s.
It's all very much a muchness for the kind of loads that iPads will typically be handling anyway. I doubt there's anything that can process data fast enough to make the SSD the bottleneck.
At least the EU protects consumers' rights, which is a breath of fresh air and it is something to be appreciated. Not going to lie.
Especially in contrast to the US who completely stopped pretending to support consumers.
Let's hope it stays that way, now that Fiona Scott Morton was appointed "Chief Economist of EU’s Directorate-General for Competition".
Reminder: Steve Jobs was a non-engineer, non-designer Marketing guy who was famously against charity and refused to pay child support despite being mega rich.
He didn't create the I-anything. He took what talented people did and made himself the face of it. He was a bad dude, a model capitalist, and the world is better for his preventable, self-inflicted early demise. Thanks for being into alternative "medicine" at least, Steve.
Elon Musk is a wannabe Steve Jobs, it all makes sense.
He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it's, he could help a lot of people.
He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it's, he could help a lot of people.
I’d love if they added a minimum security-update time for the OS. 5 years of OS upgrades should be the norm, and at least 7 more years of life-support, where security updates are provided.
It is ridiculous how fast phones become unsupported and unsafe. The systems are so specialised that open source OS can not support them all. It’s all proprietary technology, dependant on proprietary code.
Once the last security update is shipped, the phone very quickly becomes a serious security vulnerability. Modern messaging formats such as emails and whatsapp become potential vectors of an attack. Visiting a Website might be enough to compromise ones phone. Even if every application you depend on didn’t already drop support, the phone is basically e-waste because of the OS.
On this front, Apple has actually been decent. They support their old hardware much longer than many android brands. However I still think anything below 10 years is absolutely ridiculous as it renders the whole device unusable.
I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.
Do agree on this. A law about supporting, at the very least, just security updates for your product in a 7 or 8 year life span is a must IMO as well. 10 would be ideal, but even an 8 year life span is not bad.
I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.
Probably, since most of them are smart now.
It’s funny how Apple does offer decent support from a phone perspective, but their computers get dated fast.
I just recently built a new PC after having my previous one for ten years. I didn’t strictly need to but I wanted to upgrade, my old PC is still fine.
Apple doesn’t offer that kind of support for their computers.
I don't think you're making a fair comparison there really. You should be comparing Apple to someone like Dell, HP, Asus, etc.
What you're really comparing Apple's support to is your own, because you're the one building and maintaining that PC's hardware. Plus take a look at your 10 year old PC, does every component of it - motherboard, GPU, etc. still get security updates? Motherboards are one of the worst offenders in this area for just arbitrarily dropping support.
The fact that the PC ecosystem is so open is why it can last so long, but I don't think it's as imbalanced as you're suggesting.
Disclosure: I don't own any apple products
laughs in early 2011 15” MacBook pro
While you’re right, I can’t go past High Sierra… after popping in a SSD and 16GB RAM, that motherfucker still tears it up. It helps that it has a dedicated GPU, I suppose.
Same experience as you with PC though—my partner’s 4670k/1070 were doing just fine until they tried to play Persona 5. That CPU just couldn’t handle the train station; all those people dropped it to under 10FPS. Ten year old machine though, played Elden Ring at about 40FPS at 1440p! (The 1070 was the most recent part in their machine.)
12600k/3070 now, and it handles EVERYTHING. I’m jelly. I’ve got a 9900k and it’s beautiful, but I get TotK stutters and they don’t.
Apple isn't losing here. Eu is forcing them to make better phones.
These changes go against Apple's business model and practices. Forcing USB C will mean they will probably try to add some bullshit software check to their plug in devices so 3rd party hardware makers will once again be shut out. These practices allow Apple to tell their current consumers "don't buy 3rd party stuff. It isn't made well and won't work on our incredible phones". Will that get struck down in the EU again? Probably. Will they make a few billion dollars before it does? Absolutely.
Apple has purposefully avoided moving towards industry standards so they can keep everything in their control. For better or worse, it's actually one if the biggest strengths of Apple products. I know if I buy an iPhone, it's going to work great (until the battery goes), and any of their add on parts are also going to work great because they don't have to design drivers for the 400 different options out there. But that same practice inherently leads to these sort of anti-consumer decisions. Where a decision goes from keeping-in-their-wheelhouse to have-them-by-the-balls.
I will never forgive them for killing the headphone jack—but I at least understand the business model behind it. Samsung's decision to follow suit likewise makes sense.
As for the other manufacturers who jumped on the bandwagon for no reason other than that they saw the big kids do it—handicapping their devices with what is to many a dealbreaker issue, without offering their own line of wireless earbuds / headphones to capitalize off of—I can feel only pity and disdain.
Apple didn't get big by producing quality hardware.
That's arguable but the biggest selling point for apple is the plug and play environment and ease of use.
Definitely fuck apple but the got some of it right.
Um, what? Apple makes shitty design decisions to manipulate their consumer base. These regulations prevent them from doing that. These regulations mean the consumers win. Apple still has branded braindead consumers, but at least they went be able to scam them on batteries headphones and chargers as easily.
Exactly the eu regulations force Apple to make better phones.
Look, I'm happy about the EU regulating these things and think it's great for the overall ecosystem. But can we please stop with the "Apple users are braindead" circlejerk? It's so fucking cringe, and it unironically reminds me of the unebearable zeal that Apple cultists used to (and probably still do but I see it less) impose on anyone who made the mistake of getting to close to them.
I've had many Android phones over the years, and one iPhone 8. While I am considering moving to a de-Googled Android for privacy reasons, I have to say, my iPhone has held up better than any of my Android phones (Galaxy S3, S4, LG G3) did, without needing to replace the battery. Just because you can't understand why someone might want one doesn't mean everyone who gets an iPhone is an idiot.
I would much rather have left this kind of tech chest-beating over at reddit.
Edit: This was directed more towards the community as a whole and to the commenters I've seen saying this kind of thing in this thread and most other threads like it in lemmy/reddit. The original post by OP isn't really what I was responding to.
Those who are still on the 'apple bad' train like to forget they are running an OS built by an ads company.
Every phone manufacturer has some bad shit, I choose to stick with apple cuz I already have a big library of paid stuff.
Firstly running Android != running Google on it.
Secondly you prove exactly the point. They try to make you dependent on their proprietary technology, forcing you to use their app store, apps, chargers, repair shops, desktop OS, TVs etc. (you can circumvent each of these point, but it requires always some amount of technical time investment).
I've been flashing custom firmware on my phone since before Android was a thing, I'll have you know my OS is built by dodgy Russian hackers installed on a dodgy Chinese phone, thank you very much.
At least they with android can change and look at everything since its open source. Root and toot. Ios will fall due to its lock ins just like Microsoft once did. Same same but different.
Hi, I'm sorry that this makes you feel uncomfortable. It wasn't my aim to make people feel that way. Even if I was making fun of Apple devices and users it doesn't reflect the whole spectrum of my feelings. I do think that Apple has made some technological milestones and that their products are a strong alternative comparing them to the other ones (Windows Phone *cough cough)
Even if Apple isn't my favourite brand I still believe that competition drives progress which is why I'm actually glad Apple is such a big competition and vice versa. And it is because of users like you.
I don't really want to denounce Apple users for their phone choice. As I see it we've all chosen our phone by our past influences and experiences, and those naturally differ so there's no objective right and wrong here. Ultimately, you choose what suits you best!
And to be really fair, the only phones I've seen so far that would tick off all the boxes are old Android phones and the Fairphones.
Yeah but I want to see change, I don't want such a stupid greedy company win a single customer. Customers are mostly not knowing anything what they are doing and just do such a stupid decision because Apple markets Iphones with 99% satisfaction of user reports which is 100% fake and just marketing... like privacy, its just marketing. There is no privacy.
If privacy is your concern the better option could be e.g. some google free android variant. There are several other OSes that are specialised in this regard and I think it's not a pro argument for apple.
I don't really mind the non-replacable batteries tbh. Water resistance is much harder when you need to design your phone with a removable battery.
I do want the SD card slots back though. I don't care about having two Sim cards, I want my enormous local storage that I can transfer in 8-10 seconds back
Fuck Apple
No we can't.
Replaceable batteries are so early millenia.
"We CaNnOt mAkE tHeM wAtErProOf."
Galaxy S5 starts laughing
Not just the Galaxy S5, go open GSMArena's phone finder and filter the results by form factor to "bar", IP certificate to IPx7 and IPx8, and finally the battery to removable, 97 phones if you gonna include non-Android phones
And also one little thing, can you all please stop using the wrong word, it is water resistance not waterproof
Nokia 5210 wants to have a word with you.
Not just the Galaxy S5, go open GSMArena's phone finder and filter the results by form factor to "bar", IP certificate to IPx7 and IPx8, and finally the battery to removable, 97 phones if you gonna include non-Android phones
Samsung STILL makes them! https://www.samsung.com/us/business/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/
There were a lot of good things back then. I don't mind that part coming back
Something that I haven't seen mentioned on this topic:
having a spare charged battery with you also have so much more sense than carrying a powerbank. No losses transferring power to phone, no excessive heat, MUCH lighter.
This is what we have for radios (walkie-talkies), drones, cameras, but not for phones, where we really need this.
We're not necessarily talking about "pop the back open and slam a new one in" batteries a la Nokia 3310, but rather being able to replace a battery at the end of its lifecycle without special expertise and tools, but still, with some amount of effort required.
That's the requirement at least, but companies are of course free to choose either approach.
According to a draft version of the ecodesign regulation on the EU’s website, batteries should be replaceable “with no tool, a tool or set of tools that is supplied with the product or spare part, or basic tools.”
But when Apple ships the replacement battery with the Apple self service tools that they have today. Would that even change something for the iPhone? The amount of expertise is questionable.
I wish I lived in Europe.
Many european countries have great immigration laws and opportunities. Some companies will offer relocation assistance and reimbursment. It's a challange, but it's possible.
Just please leave your cars behind :)
cars? you mean satan's shithole wagon?
Can't you just purchase the EU version or is it locked for non EU sim cards?
Some changes might also affect non EU countries anyways, at least there is no logical reason to keep especially the hardware changes region locked... On the other hand, it's Apple
Same
Now hit em again with a FaceTime on other platforms and finish off with an iMessage on Android!
I would looooove iMessage to be an option on my PC computers and my friends’ Android phones. Signal is great, but iMessage is so super clean. I love that I can have E2E encrypted chats from my laptop to my friends’ phones.
People complain about BuBbLe CoLouRs without even knowing what it means… iMessage is legitimately amazing. 100% get it to other platforms, Apple!
Oh do I have some good news for you then. The end of the summer a few platforms are slated to launch an iMessage on Android app.
Sunbird is the big one that is getting a large amount of coverage and sells itself as E2E for iMessage (we'll see at launch as it's in beta right now).
Beeper is another one that's an aggregation messenger similar to what signal originally was, but is also supposed to allow iMessage instead of its own alternative, as well as still being usable for text/RCS messaging.
I'm not working for either of these companies, I just have a significant other with an iPhone who always complains about my messages being green, and so I did some research into ways to fix it a few months ago and found both of these to be the promising fixes that don't require self hosting a server (funny seeing as this is lemmy, kinda the theme here). I've kept it under wraps from them to be a huge surprise when it launchs and all of a sudden they can't complain/talk about the platform superiority anymore.
based EU
thanks for using POV correctly
And thanks to EU for using POW! correctly
“Your honor, the apple vision pro was specifically designed to be used inside a small sailing ship.”
I'll believe it when I see it.
Sideloading, too.
For a second I was thinking about chromebooks because you can't install native packages and only install apps from Play Store. Till I remember that you can enable app-dev mode to install any .apk (sideload). But does it count? I need to enable dev-app mode which can't be reverted. Additionally it annoys you on the lock screen with a red text that this chromebook has unverified packages. You can always enable it without any further downsides.
But at least you can install natively Linux on any Chromebook like a normal x86 Laptop or ARM64 Device.
I mean I think apple is just gonna increase prices in the EU and blame regulators.
And then their market share will even go lower. Apple has a great market share, but only in the US. Europeans mostly use Android devices. Except for the Swedish, don't know what's up with them, but they love Apple devices.
Yeah likely, not as if they needed to stay competitive with such a loyal fanbase
Unfortunately "USB-C" means nothing. It just describes what type of connector to use.
I mean its gpod enough,no? Tp be able to force apple to not use proprietary charging. And i assume data will also be a thing on their products, whether or not it uses the full speed capabilities of usb c dpesnt seem to matter.
Last I read was that apple was going to throttle their usb-c ports being used with non-apple blessed cables. And those cables are supposed to be pretty spendy, as they're going to be "apple taxed", <cough> I mean certified as apple is calling it. I hope the EU puts the smack down on them for trying to create such a loophole in interoperability requirements.
"USB-C" really only means "that flat oval shaped connector" and absolutely nothing more. The plug and cable and connected devices define what USB standard is used. You can deliver anything from "charging only USB 2.0 low power" to USB 4 with 240 W charging and 80Gbps data transfer including 8K@60 DisplayPort tunneling via USB-C.
You just said it means nothing, then explained what it means. Why is it unfortunate that apple will need to put UBC C on the single device that still doesn't have it FROM THEIR OWN LINEUP.
It's also a proprietary standard that needs to be licensed. They've basically handed the USB organization a complete monopoly over smartphones. I know there is no suitable open source option that can replace USB but it's still far from ideal. Maybe for the next step in furtherance of hardware freedom we should also be funding the development of a proper open source alternative, or campaign for USB to be open sourced.
Actually, since battling my phone addiction, my battery holds up the whole day. I use an iPhone 14 Pro, right now I’m 6 hours in my work day, currently on a break, typing this with 92% remaining. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by now because it would have had less than 20%.
You should not charge more than 70-80% to preserve the battery
Unpopular opinion here: I don’t mind the Non-replaceable battery. Since battling my phone addiction, it holds up strong. I use the iPhone 14 Pro. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by my lunch break because it would’ve dropped to 20%. Now I’m typing this with 92% battery remaining. I also don't care about the charging port. Yes, it sucks, but if it wasn’t for the headphone jack adapter I would not use it. I’ve been using induction charging ever since the first Galaxy Fold. Okay, I agree with that shops stuff.
What I really care about is the right of repairability. You can’t use things from another iPhone because in their database they have to manually remove the screen/battery/camera/cable/whatever from your phone and add the serial number of the new part. Like, if I order (overpriced) replacement parts for my iPhone 14 and I use those parts to repair a friend‘s iPhone 14, that fucking piece of shit throws and error unless some magical fuckery of a workaround is made.
Naive question, how did you battle your phone addiction in simple terms?
I found myself using my phone a lot more after the pandemic (from 1.45-ish to 3-ish daily) and I hate myself - less than 1h would be more than enough for healthy usage in my case :(
Certainly not a naive question!
I did it by accident actually. I stopped social media because I just never used it that much, not even lurking. I use a lot of Adblock, even YouTube still gets blocked on my phone if I open it via the browser, so I use this to open YouTube. I got a new number this January. In February I deleted my cookies. Google sends a code to your phone via message, if not, you a code a month later via mail. Haven’t used YouTube since. And then came the Reddit stuff and no more Apollo and there goes that.
I use it now for Duolingo and music and Melvor Idle
Ironic since I'd wager most of social media users have apple phones
No way that's true. Most social media users are in Asia and Africa where Android is King!
Exactly. Worldwide market share of Apple devices was around 18-20% if I remember correctly.
I've once seen a poll on Reddit where Android was leading with ~60% against Apple with ~40% but idk how trustworthy those polls are since they rely on user input instead of concrete OS data gathering and it was ofc a subreddit poll so it just reached a small group of Redditors
What's the irony? It's the Apple users that the EU is protecting here.
Please tell me that there's a Lemmy community out there for EU memes.
Apple basically invented USB-C
You are confusing USB C to Thunderbolt (which has adopted USB C)
Nope, Apple participated in the creation of the USB-C standard, with a pretty big role in it apparently https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/
