the weird thing is that Israel's government is being confusing - the ceasefire is meant to be lasting but they have vowed to invade Rafah anyway until Hamas is toppled.
Sounds to me like Netanyahus government wants to trade hostages to appease protesters and voters, and then continue flattening Rafah anyway.
The deal has always been a temporary ceasefire in exchange of hostages.
The deal Israel wants, anyway.
Yeah, because giving up your only leverage permanently in exchange for what basically amounts to pressing pause on the genocide is SUCH a good deal!
Hamas might be despicable terrorists, but presumably they're not total idiots!
That's the worst deal since the Dutch sold New Amsterdam (now New York) to the English for a bunch of nutmeg! Nutmeg was hella expensive back then 😛
I'm just going off what it said in the article
Hamas wants a permanent cease-fire. Israel wants a temporary truce.
I suppose having your victims very publically calling out for peace, and actively trying to push for negotiations alongside other countries would "confuse" the narrative that they're supposed to be bloodthirsty animals.
I literally saw an article in the Israeli press talking about: Agreeing to a temporary truce would be a good idea because then we can use the pause to rearm, resupply, and rest, and then resume the killing having netted ourselves some goodwill on the world stage.
Well yeah, that's been Israel's playbook for the last 8 decades of conflict.
The reality is that both Hamas and Israel would do the same in a "permanent cease fire". Hamas famously won't sign a peace treaty with Israel - that's how they became famous internationally in the 90s, by refusing the peace process. For the same reason Netanyahu - and most Israeli leaders - won't sign a proper peace treaty with Hamas. Both want to eradicate the other.
Rumors are that Hamas accepted a temporary ceasefire deal this time with American verbal guarantees that they would not let Israel continue after the 40 days passed.
If that's the reassurance they needed, they are monumentally stupid. The US supports Israel and anything they decide to do unconditionally.
"Those sons of bitches are only doing everything we asked them to in order to confuse us and make us look bad."
"Hamas! No!"
"What? What did I do?"
"Sorry, force of habit."
While I want this to end as much as most people, a ceasefire is not the same as a peace agreement. North and South Korea have had a ceasefire since before I was born, but they constantly try to scare the world into thinking it could end at any moment, WW2 ended with a peace treaty, and the Nazi regime was officially removed from power as part of the treaty.
either way a ceasefire would stop a lot of immediate deaths, and give both party a lot of time to figure their shit out.
Ben dude doesn't want to give Palestinians a chance to regroup while he faces his own political discord at home in Israel. I am only looking at this from an outside perspective, I could be wrong. It's not a bad strategy, Russia be doing it for years now.
Sure, but at least a short period of people not being bombed or killed sounds great.
The terms Hamas had agreed to were not immediately clear, but a senior Israeli official quickly said that the terms were not those that Israel had agreed to.
Looks like the headline matches reality.
You keep spewing totalitarian cacophony, you crazy diamond.
Linkerbaan vs PugJesus. Linkerbaan ratio is 5, PugJesus ratio is 2. Draw is 1. Results at 10pm.
On the serious note: An accessible link would be appreciated.
Wayback machine cuts off early, but this is what it gives:
The announcement by Hamas on Monday that it had accepted terms of a cease-fire added to the uncertainty that began over the weekend, when officials said that the armed group and Israel had reached an impasse after months of talks.
As if to underscore that the fighting would continue, Hamas militants on Sunday launched rockets from Rafah, their last stronghold in Gaza, killing four Israeli soldiers. The following morning, Israel announced a mass evacuation of areas in Rafah, escalating fears that the military would soon begin a long-anticipated invasion of the crowded city.
Hours later, Hamas suddenly announced that its leader, Ismail Haniyeh, had accepted a cease-fire proposal based on a plan proffered by Egypt and Qatar, which have been mediating the negotiations with Israel. The terms Hamas had agreed to were not immediately clear, but a senior Israeli official quickly said that the terms were not those that Israel had agreed to.
While Israel and its main ally, the United States, said they were reviewing the proposal Hamas had agreed to, the public statements by the two sides in the war suggest that they remain far apart on key issues needed to reach a truce. Here is a look at those differences.
Hamas wants a permanent cease-fire. Israel wants a temporary truce. The two sides are stuck on a fundamental question: will this cease-fire be a temporary pause to allow an exchange of hostages for prisoners or a long-term end to the fighting that would leave Hamas in power?
Israel insists on a temporary cease-fire, saying it will keep fighting afterward with the eventual aim of toppling Hamas’s rule in Gaza. Hamas demands a permanent cease-fire and vows to remain in power there.
AP is saying the same thing.
I wonder if those totally-bias-free media bias checker sites that folks like to use to discount leftwing news sources have reflected on any of NYT's latest propaganda?
lol nope!
Nothing quite says highly factual democratic socialism (center-left) quite like churning out one sided propaganda for an appartiting, genocidal group of ethnofascists.
Nothing quite says highly factual democratic socialism (center-left) quite like churning out one sided propaganda for an appartiting, genocidal group of ethnofascists.
I mean you're legitimately more right than you know
Do you think I'm channeling my inner Kissinger?
These snips of headlines with a little response are nearly always misleading.
This adds nothing to the conversation.
You made this comment an hour after someone linked the article...
Ironically, your comment is what's adding nothing to the conversation
They were talking about op, obviously
When NYT can't properly pluralize a word that already ends with "s" in a headline...
They failed getting the possessive right not the plural..
It's actually the correct way to use the possesive. You only use the apostrophe when the noun is plural and ends with "s"
*Hamas'
This must be Biden's fault somehow!
It's crazy how suddenly you guys see Hamas as the good guys all of a sudden. I can tell you about all their atrocities and rapes, but I'll just get hit back with whataboutisms. Even if you point out that there are no good guys in charge in this conflict, people downvote cause they see Hamas as heroes, which is insane.
Can you seriously not understand that people have basic fucking empathy and don't want children to starve? Families to be seperated by bombs?
Yeah, Hamas is awful. The Palestinian people would likely kill me for expressing my gender in a way that is barely safe in the US. I don't fucking care, no culture deserves genocide. That should not be considered a controversial statement.
Hamas doesn't give a single shit about starving children. Their leadership are old rich men living in comfort abroad.
Nobody is arguing against stopping this madness, but you're white washing history by making Hamas out to be the victim here. Fuck Hamas, they don't care about Palestinians. Neither do Arabs or Muslims. Nobody despises Palestinians more than other Arabs. You're being used to Stoke outrage. You're pushing their propaganda that Hamas was a peaceful organization just minding it's business
When one side has committed such vast amounts of resources towards villainy, comparatively, it tends to make the other guys look better.
Have you even heard of Yasser Arafat or the history of the region? It's like you kids just tuned in to the latest episode and made your decisions about who the bad and good are. All, EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR of Hamas resources go to rockets to shoot at schools and towards their own goals of ethnic cleansing. But you weren't being told to be outraged for the last 6 decades, so you didn't give a fuck till Instagram told you to.
Even if I say there are no good guys in charge in this conflict, I get dowvoted. Because you can't accept that Hamas is bad, you just can't.
Iran can't beat us with bombs so they flipped the youth with very simple pr
Pretty much. These are the same college kids who like to tell me what should be offensive to me as a Latino. They don't realize that them jumping in to defend me against invisible discrimination, is their own form of white supremacy and colonialist attitude. "this brown person should be offended at that man wearing a sombrero, and only I a young educated white kid can defend him!"
That's just tankies doing tankie things.
Every fault can be excused, as long as you're an enemy of the US.
