Love it. People look at me like I'm crazy for trying to go greener, and I see this stuff online all the time.
"Haha EVs are so dangerous! Look at the fire hazard" like you aren't literally parking a tank of explosive gas in your house every night
"It doesn't have nearly the range of gas" They say while driving a massive truck that needs filling every week, meanwhile my charger at home is needed once a week and costs 1/6th a tank of gas
"Solar doesn't even cover the entire electric bill" Sure, it only halves it...
So much simping for big oil companies. Always reminds me of this from the Simpsons
This is an informal fallacy, "letting perfect be the enemy of good." You have to feel out people who are doing this and try to determine what their angle is. Usually they have one, some kind of asinine hobby-horse or ulterior motive, and you need to figure out quickly if they're arguing in good faith or not.
Because usually they're not, and inevitably you'll find that as soon as you're done addressing one point they've moved the goalposts somewhere else.
I just heard this phrase, and I'm so happy because I've needed a word for it. People who do this annoy me so much. Like with EVs especially. "Well we should be using mass transit_." Yes, we should, but that will take a very long time. Let's take a good solution now, which is better than the bad solution that is currently being used, and we will continue to build and push for the perfect solution at the same time.
Strive for perfect, but accept a good solution in the meantime.
Tangently related- im a big fan of the easiest 10%. Effectively, the easiest 10% of change does just as much as the hardest 10%.
Want to use the dryer less? Big stuff on line, little stuff in the dryer. That kind of thing.
Chucking a solar panel on your roof gets you 10% of the way there in a weekend then forget about it for 5 years.
a tank of explosive gas
And we purposely use it to fuel small controlled explosions to make it go.
âHaha EVs are so dangerous! Look at the fire hazardâ like you arenât literally parking a tank of explosive gas in your house every night
Just to be pedantic, the real issue there is that EVs are potentially more explosive, and once they've caught fire, pouring water on the makes them explode a second time.
Sure, and that's one I hear, but it's blown out of proportion by them. Really whenever you store that level of potential energy in any form it's going to be dangerous.
Pouring water on lithium-ion battery fires is not only safe it's the primary means of fighting them. It does not make them explode a second time, what it does do is cool down the battery.
Lithium battery fires though, there you'll want a class D extinguisher. Those batteries aren't in EVs though.
Mmmm...tripe...
Looks like Lisa's never heard of the food chain
While I agree with the premise of your argument, most of your points are false. Liquid gasoline doesn't explode and the range of the truck is definitely longer than the range of the EV, regardless of when you recharge/fill up the tank.
Sure, liquid doesn't, just it's vapour. Which of course is constantly evaporating around gasoline. :|
And yes, the range thing was a comparison to "Who cares about range when you're guzzling 40 gallons of gas to get the same range". But even then, I always argue that the range argument is ridiculous anyway. 95% of trips people make are within their town or county, plenty close enough within the range of most EVs. Mine is 260 miles. Tell me who drives 260 miles daily. Even when I lived in a rural small town my commute was an hour and a half, 60 miles each way. That's less than half of my current range.
And for those who are like "But muh roadtrips!" I reply immediately with 1) Most families have 2 cars, the obvious solution is to have one EV for 95% of your driving and keep the old ICE for longer trips or 2) shockingly enough, you can rent a car to go on a roadtrip. Hell I did that already when I went camping. People say "I need a truck for when I go outdoors or move" - but here I've been renting trucks for that for years.
People are so terrified of change that they'll just throw up whatever they can think of (or whatever the oil lobby tells them) rather than think critically. Both of those arguments I've made with gearhead friends, and every time they don't have a response to them. Same as what other people have said below, changing just 10% can have an impact. So for people with big trucks I tell them "no one says get rid of your truck completely, but be smarter about what you drive and when". Commuting? Take an EV. Camping/towing? Sure take the truck. That can have an impact too.
the range of the truck is definitely longer than the range of the EV
Depends on the truck and EV. Compare a Regular Cab F150 Raptor to a Lucid Air Pure, and the EV probably gets more range. Obviously looking for edge cases that probably aren't the case in Scrumbbles's story, but there's no way you can know the EV's range is shorter from their post. In a couple years, we might have 1000 mile range EVs delivered to customers (and cheaper than the Lucid Air), in which case the range would be more than the majority of ICE vehicles.
Yeah I've got family that are like this. I'm kinda wondering what you'd actually need for solar to change a vehicle for say a drive to work and back in a mid sized city (10-30km) on the average electric vehicle.
One the the reasons I haven't gone solar here is not so much cloud as cloud+half the year the things are gonna be covered in snow+smoke during the summer (we actually have issues with solar-powered parking kiosks already due to this).
If I won the jackpot though I'd definitely go "prepper" with one item being a solar-powered retreat I'm a location that gets a decent amount of sun without too much dangerous weather.
Has anyone done the actual math?
He could go twice as far if his
cartruck wasn't oversized.Hey, a normal sized truck ain't gonna splat many zombies after the apocalypse.
That's why you get a bulldozer. And if need be, an immense supply of steel sheeting, concrete mix, and welding supplies.
I wish solar made sense where I live, but it's not just "cloudy right now", it's extremely overcast for 9-12 months out of the year. It'll still generate power, but not really enough to offset the cost of the installation. Hopefully solar keeps getting cheaper, more efficient, or both.
It will! And if you've got wind...wind turbines weren't very good & experienced breakdowns, but we're on the verge of a few breakthroughs. Making wind turbines cheaper, more efficient, and less moving parts to break.
I've come to learn that the typical wind turbine design just doesn't work on a micro scale, that you would need to have in a residential area. (Even on a farm, the wind turbine would need to be pretty big to even be worth installing and maintaining.) I've learned about a few advancements in wind power.
The Challenges of a Wind Turbine on Your Home
Not to mention differently shaped so it doesn't annoy the the neighbours as their house is cast in shadows
I am interested in prepping, and if anyone else is, too - - I look at solar/wind renewable energy & I'm concerned about high draw, high demand devices & processes. Well I started to notice that even super green setups tend to have a small generator on-hand for large/rare draws, failures, and emergencies.
And small generators have become a lot smarter & more capable! Bonus.
You probably aren't running tons of major appliances all at once all the time. Buy the generator, have that backup plan...and go into the green energy world with confidence.
I mean even those generators are only bought out of a lack of understanding. Really easy to get 6kW home inverters, and they are stackable. Some systems will stack up to 16 units. Thats 96kW, or said another way 400 amps of 240V.
A setup of dual 6k isn't even that expensive anymore and 12kW is enough for most people to just use appliances like normal without worry. Grab a couple of the low hanging fruit efficiency changes like heat pump for both your dryer and hot water heater and your golden.
The only other mistake people make is they size how many panels they need based off the potential maximum rather than the potential minimum. You should oversize your array for summer so that it is appropriately sized for cloudy/winter :)
My brother bought some land cheap and started with his infrastructure before the house (he'd previously bought a school bus and converted it). He started with solar, batteries, and a generator for the well etc, but he's finally expanded to the point where the batteries can last him through all the dark, and the generator is hardly used a d just there as an emergency backup.
He works in IT remotely so it's not like he isn't using electricity and internet all day. He does have more room to put the panels though.
Jokes on you, Iâve been burying my gasolineâŚ
no, this is actually a joke, feds. Burying gasoline would be irresponsible and dangerous.
~What you want to do is bury diesel..~
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I don't really understand preppers. Why would you want to survive after society collapses? That sounds awful.
A lot of them aren't planning for the end of the world, just for "something bad" of indeterminate but finite length that's longer than a lot of people think reasonable.
It's a spectrum, with routine "emergency preparedness" on one end, and "self sufficient lifetime bunker filled with reusable water and canned food" on the other.
It's normal for people to have a flashlight, a few days worth of shelf stable food, a first aid kit and a couple of tarps. It doesn't even need to be intentional, it's just normal, but it still forms a basic emergency kit.
A rational response to a normal risk.A lot of the more extreme peppers who aren't radical are in more rural areas, where something like a tornado could actually knock out power for a week or more.
A rational response to an uncommon, but real risk.Others just have a disproportionate estimation if the risk of something like Katrina or the 2003 blackout happening, that can knock utilities out for a protracted period of time, or some esoteric and unlikely beliefs about civil unrest.
A rational response to an uncommon, unlikely risk.At the far end you have people who want to survive the literal end of the world. I don't necessarily get why you would want to survive for a bleak and empty life either.
An irrational response to an unprecedented, infinitesimal risk.I work in emergency management. I'm on the "keep beer in fridge" end of the scale but I know people who bury containers of goods for trade (rimfire for varmint hunting popular for this). It really is a continuum.
Best advice: keep a full tank of gas, food in a chest freezer with ice packs, and 1 gallon of water per person per day. You will be expected to make it for 3 days without assistance. Full marks if you plan for a week which includes a heat source for warmth and cooking.
The chance to create a new society in our own image. With government subsidised cocaine and hookers.
The problem is "our" image is not something we all agree on. I see no reason for that to be different for the handful of survivors. The survivors will most likely end up wishing they had died quickly.
Probably evolution. My guess is that there have always been "weirdos" that live at the outside or are especially paranoid. Most of the time it's just weird, but sometimes it payed off during our evolution.
Basically your great great great great great great great great great great granddad was a prepper. But you didn't inherit the prepper gene.
Back in my day, we didn't feed the trolls, and they starved to death
The Devil's Panties!! A blast from my past right there.
We're going to Hammerbarn!
