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What if I told you... return2ozma is part of the problem. They continuously post negative articles about Harris and very little negatives about Trump...
very little negatives about Trump…
The problem with lemmy.world is the lack of Trump-negative articles. There simply isn't enough of them.
Um, out of interest I went through their posts of the last week or so. Three were critical of trump, one was critical of biden
Perhaps a bit of cognitive bias going on there?
People had an utter panic attack about this a few months ago. It's just that they post so much stuff that their name becomes recognizable so people freaked out because they noticed some of it, a small percentile really, was critical of Joe Biden. They panicked and tried to ban the user from basically everything they could. Most of them never thought to look and see what you did which is this user basically posts ad nauseam everything they can find. Some of it critical of Biden some of it critical of trump most having nothing to do with politics at all.
I had thought that people calmed down and cooler heads had prevailed. I guess there's some weak-willed people still out there though.
Nice to know we're not developing a hivemind like on Reddit /s
Every chamber will form an echo. It's how humans are hardwired—to seek out community and belonging.
After a certain point, I'm more interested in direct action ideas from like-minded people than yet another debate about utopia.
Yep, and it's why we're never going interstellar. Our tribes are too small.
Sounds like good news for the galaxy
We need to send all the billionaires and politicians to space to experience the Overview Effect so they can realize we need to collaborate and stop worrying about our slight differences.
IDK, man, Bezos went up and came back thinking there's nobody above him.
I had to read this twice to confirm, but it sounds like you’re intending to bring them back from space with this plan?
I'm open to suggestions on that one...
Just keep the rocket headded into the sun.
I think slingshotting the rich people around the sun should be considered, even if they just wanted to go to orbit. We can tell them its for the coolness factor.
It would be a shame to launch all those expensive satellites just to bring them back down immediately.
Due to budget cuts the heat shield for re-entry was cut. Thanks to these budget cuts we gave everybody in the lower echelons of your company a big fat bonus.
We hope you have a pleasant stay in space.
I don't see why that's a problem. This platform not gonna move vote as much as you like to believe, and reading news get you informed on the ups and downs. It's not like the ml/grad folks that only post bad thing about the west and only good thing about china/russia, i did see ozma post a wide variety of stuff.
This platform not gonna move vote as much as you like to believe,
Man, none of us are gonna move serious numbers of votes. Yet elections are decided by millions of people who are engaging in civic behavior in the election and the lead-up to the election, every instance being inconsequential individually, but in aggregate deciding the future of nations.
"It's too small, it doesn't matter" is one of the ways the GOP pushes out consistent wins while the Dems flounder despite nearly every policy, some of moderate Dems and some of progressive Dems, being overwhelmingly popular in this fucking country. The GOP lacks popular policy positions, and yet because they continuously and consistently push their electoral viewpoints at EVERY turn, not just when it's 'big', they get electorally rewarded. They treat civic duty like a religious duty, and yet I have to limp my ass and beg people door to door just to fucking vote against fascism.
... alright, I've never begged. My anxiety is bad enough that I keep things polite. But the point stands.
What you are talking about can both be true, that our individual actions matter as part of a whole, but by themselves have very little power. Its sort of like a big ocean of water, very powerful when moving together. Take a bucket of that water and it loses a lot of its overall power but the individuals drops are the same as they've always been, and they work together with other drops just the same.
The drops aren't aware of the bucket size or much past its immediate neighbors, but together with the other drops they can do more than a single drop could.
If we lose some drops, thats not a big deal, they didnt contribute much individually, but if we lose more drops than we take in, that is a big deal.
In this way everyone's actions are both important and insignificant.
I know the anxiety is high in US, and while the rhetoric works in real life, i doubt it did anything in lemmy, a platform of 50k user that mostly made up their mind, to the point they will call any dissenting voice as people against them. While it makes sense because of how notorious the reds are, from the outside it really looks pretty much like idolising a party not dissimilar to the reds. I mean, you guys can't just accusing republican for idolising trump while at the same time idolising harris, that's just hypocrisy.
Disclaimer, i'm not from the US so i can't do much, but i did went through the same thing for the past two elections of my country, to the point the party i voted for is now working together with the one we worked hard to defeat two elections ago. Try give Malaysia election 2018/2022 a read, it's insane.
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Very few people idolize Harris. Hell, Harris is not particularly popular even within the Democratic Party. The issue is that banging the drum on all the reasons not to vote for her two weeks before it's decided whether we're going under a literal fascist regime, or getting another four years of time to unfuck as much as we can, is a strategically stupid decision from any actor who doesn't want fascism. Yes, Harris is a moderate who supports all the long-standing fuckwaddery of US foreign and domestic policy. No, that's not particularly relevant ten metaphorical minutes before an election with a candidate who supports all the long-standing fuckwaddery of US foreign and domestic policy getting much worse as a core ideological aim.
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The idolization makes it ridiculous, but the essential difference between the two parties isn't that "GOP idolizes its candidate while We, The Clear-Sighted, do not!", the essential difference is "The GOP has openly announced that it's going for a fascist regime, and the Dems don't want that." If someone were insane enough to start plastering Harris's head on Rambo Trump style, man, it'd be worthy of mockery, but even if it was widespread, it wouldn't change that one party is essential to support in this election over the other. We want another four years of not-fascism so we can reinforce and build new structures against fascism. Maybe even a better world, though for the next few weeks I'm focused on not getting sent to a concentration camp.
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If you think that a platform of 50k isn't enough to be worth talking to, I dread to consider what you think of attending town halls.
If you think that a platform of 50k isn't enough to be worth talking to, I dread to consider what you think of attending town halls.
Look, i know it's a desperate time now, but to take the 50k in lemmy as undecided rather than an echo chamber is another level of desperate. Like, come on man.
You think the population in a town hall is mostly undecided? I assure you, it's not.
We do what we do in the hopes that one or two votes might come out of it. That's all we can do. And there sure as shit are plenty of people here who are on the fence about voting, or voting Dem.
Are you concerned this type of rhetoric could also lose kamala votes? Its very condescending type talk to tell someone they should care more about potential problems in this country vs an actual genocide in their home lands.
Say what you will but the actual lived experience for some has ended up better under trump than the current democrat administration, and Kamala is part of that.
I don't think those are the type of people you can just bully into your position, I'd assume the opposite rather.
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I can never tell if you people are in bad faith or just legitimately so detached from a realistic view of politics that that sounds profound to you.
I can never tell if you people are in bad faith or just legitimately so detached from a realistic view of politics
Leveraging more empathy trying to understand others viewpoints better is seldom completely wasted effort when dealing with non-republicans. But I admit I dont even try with republicans anymore.
I have to limp my ass and beg people door to door just to fucking vote against fascism.
Rather than beg your party to adopt the policies all the data shows would actually win then this election?
What on earth makes you think the best 'evelenth hour' strategy is to try and persuade thousands of people to vote, but that it's apparently "too late" to persuade a single executive to change one policy?
Some people are good. Can't say the same for executives.
That's a good point. There may a reason in that.
I can never tell if you people are in bad faith or just legitimately so detached from a realistic view of politics that that sounds profound to you.
Aw, did you get so upset that you decided to downvote everything I commented in the last day? lmao. I guess anti-genocide and anti-billionaire comments are worth a downvote in your eyes. Didn't have you pegged for a Zionist or a capitalist, but I guess they come in all shapes and sizes.
Gurl please. There's a million "Trump is bad" articles. Why would I post duplicates?
Equal level of scrutiny > equal number of negative posts
Maybe there are a million "trump is bad" articles because there are a million unique reasons that trump is bad. We don't need a million "Harris is bad" articles to make it fair, we need legitimate comparison on equal ground. Nobody is insisting that you repost what's already been said, but nobody needs to hear "Harris is also bad" when the only reasonable goal of such a thing is to draw a false equivalency in order to either encourage people that voting for trump isn't actually all that bad, or discourage barely-motivated Harris voters from actually getting up off their asses to vote for her.
To be clear, Harris isn't perfect, but she's proven to be competent and capable of growth as a human being who is engaging in a similar human experience as other people and understands the actual struggles we endure, their causes, and has proposed some solutions. The other fucking guy is airing out personal grievances, bitching about consequences for his actions, and spreading blatantly racist lies about immigrants which would make Hitler himself blush.
If anyone is legit not going to vote because of a negative news article posted by a stranger online... they're dumb AF.
You've been here a while and most have told you about how it looks time and time again.
Either you're the living embodiment of the Skinner "No, it's the children who are the problem" meme or you're a "hidden" Trumpet/Russian asset/Bot
And I keep saying I'm far left.
Then why are you so hell bent on helping Trump?
I see we have gone with option a, living embodiment of the Skinner meme.
I'm not a Democrat I'm not a Republican. It's the Democrats that are starting to court Republicans even praising war criminal Cheney. Politicians should constantly be critiqued. Hold their feet to the fire.
You:
Politicians should constantly be critiqued. Hold their feet to the fire.
Also you:
Gurl please. There's a million "Trump is bad" articles. Why would I post duplicates?
That’s what you fucks said about Clinton and now we have a tilted supreme court and two dead women and facing life in prison for miscarriages. Grow the fuck up.
You mean this Clinton?: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
You grow the fuck up and understand that these politicians don't give a shit about you and will happily sacrifice your livelihood if they can use the threat of "other guy" as a cudgel to get you to vote for them because they refuse to run on things that will actually help people since that would run counter to the wishes of their corporate masters.
We're seeing this in action as democrats make excuse after excuse for fully supporting a genocide. You know, genocide, which is supposed to be an unthinkable crime against humanity. Should be easy to not support genocide, right? A real slam dunk to gain supporters by pledging to stop genocide, right? Well, turns out politicians don't care about people's lives.
Instead of criticizing politicians who act in this way and who actually set policy, you think it's more fruitful to attack people on here who are likely going to vote for democrats anyway?
Maybe Hillary should have actually campaigned harder and earned more votes? Blame the candidate not the voters.
I blame the voters just as much. It didn't take a genius to see why Trump winning would be catastrophic.
That's a fine thing to say, but nobody believes you because of inconsistencies in your reasoning.
Welcome to America, where people think that Fox News is a legitimate news source because "'news' is right there in the name!"
Oh, okay, glad all we needed was the smart votes and the votes from the deeply politically engaged.
It reminds me of other instances of left purity, where somehow large swathes of voters don't count because they're too dirty, or something.
Why would I post duplicates?
It would help your staunch support of the GOP go unnoticed if you did.
Also it would help people like me respect your opinions if you were to show some level of consistency.