Gandalf is the player that insisted on playing a wizard but never bothered learning their spells past cantrips and keeps rolling a d12 instead of a d20, but no one notices.
I'd say Gandalf is probably more like the dm self insert NPC that does exactly enough to move the story where it needs to go. He doesn't use most of his spells because he wants the players to be the ones affecting change. And he suffers from the balrog because the party rolled low on the situation they were supposed to get out of. And Gandalf comes back because the dm said so and it made for an epic twist.
The main supporting parts of that are that Gandalf is the avatar of a Maia, which is kind of like a meta character already. Sort of like having a god in disguise. Not something a dm would allow for a player. As well as gandalfs explicit goal to not be the the pivotal being affecting change, but to push other major actors into doing it.
And lastly, the piece of trivia that Gandalf wasn't supposed to play a bigger role in the hobbit (which came before lotr was written as an epic sequel, and was mostly a story for his kids) than basically a bumbling old sarcastic wizard, brings the concept that the dm just called back a character from a previous campaign.
Best LoTR - DnD adaptation of Gandalf I've read so far. Couldn't agree more.
I know it's a meme and all, but I feel like good jokes need to be rooted in a bit of truth otherwise it's just... Stuff you say for no reason? And this is that. Are we forgetting all the times he was instrumental? Dude was like the most influential character. Nudging so many different people in the right direction. Not to mention the Balrog or how he protected frodo from the eye when he put the ring on at amon hen, the Jedi mind tricks used on saruman, etc
But, it's interesting how he's so different from the "mage" of other fantasy / D&D.
For example, he uses a sword along with his staff. He's the most powerful mage, and yet he needs a sword?
Also, he doesn't seem to use any direct-damage magic. He doesn't throw fireballs, he doesn't cause enemies to be hit by lightning. He also doesn't directly create illusions. Most of what he does is very subtle. He claims he can read minds, he gives ponies greater stamina, he opens doors, he lights or extinguishes fires, but mostly for lighting not for damage.
That's partly because most of this stuff precedes modern fantasy media and also because Tolkien said that Gandalf isn't actually a wizard it's just that to him wizard was the closest word he could find to describe him. As back then wizard just meant very wise person, afaik. A more apt term for him nowadays would be "sage", I guess? Dunno. Also, Gandalf isn't human, he's a celestial being and he's not allowed(?), I think, to use the full extent of his powers. Either way, yeah.. the more I learn about Tolkien's work the more interesting it becomes.
As well as his great (magic?) time management skills that allow him to arrive precisely when he means to.
I mean, it's pretty bright.
It drove them off. Sounds like Gandalf is a pro who knows exactly how much mp to spend.
Guy used his channel divinity charge to repel nine legendary undead and people are bitching about the light show
Lord of the rings lore is incredible, which is an oddly obvious thing to say, but the aspect that I love most is Tolkien’s take on divinity. Specifically that enacting magic necessarily requires a divine being to permanently surrender a piece of themselves as fuel. Every piece of magic performed amounts to irreversible self mutilation. This further develops several characters, but none more beautifully than Saruman who was stripped to nearly nothing in the end. He chose middle earth as his home and lost it, his friends whom he cherished, and the overwhelming majority of his being. He created his own hell out of cowardice first and greed second.
Is that right? I’ve read a fair number of the supporting works and that doesn’t ring a bell, so where is that said.
I thought it was more that Gandalf’s job was not to wade in and use might and magic to sort things out for the residents of middle earth - instead his brief was to be a mentor and catalyst, using minimal magic except at need.
The diminution of Saruman wasn’t because he spent all day magicing things up.
That’s how the evil boys became wisps- by pouring their being into arda. Saruman became diminished by expediting the creation of orcs, Sauron hollowed himself out creating the ring, and Morgoth spent his soul making femboys into ugly bastards (and flame demons). And you’re correct, but my comment was already long enough to dissuade most from reading it so I cut detail. No one reads multi-paragraph comments on checks notes /c/greentext.
Don't forget when he hits orcs with his staff.
Why Everyone Hates Wizards by Mattias Pilhede
This has nothing to do with the actual video, but I feel like wizards suffer from the same issue as super heroes and anime characters do.
Like, yeah, it's cool what they can do. But also, they're practically invincible. No matter what situation they get into, you just know they'll have some spell / super power / forbidden technique to get themselves out of it.
That's only a problem of bad writing. In good writing, even the most powerful beings can be threatened. Good writing has internal logic and conflict. You cannot have either with the shitty kind of, "I snap my fingers and fix it" magic BS you reference.
At the end of the day, ALL of fiction suffers from the problem. Outside of fantasy, Plot Armor still exists. Any poorly written character can become uncompelling.
Tolkien's magic can't do everything, and that's its strenght.
Huh. Won't play on my mobile Firefox.
Here's the YT link (note it's easy to change between them, and no www on the piped link).
And yeah, even on desktop I find the alternatives hit-or-miss often for stability or different reasons.
Works on roaches
