Another fun fact: this is not just a gaming fact, it can be applied anywhere piss babies have to learn from women.
Can confirm: I had a programming management position in the early 2000s, and once had a dev screaming at me with his nose less than two inches from my own after I called him out for egregious project delays (I was a programmer, too). I asked him if he’d like to take it outside, but he declined. Exactly the same energy I’ve had from others as a girl gamer.
I’ve never seen that behaviour towards men in a professional setting, but some of these immature boys seem to think it’s okay to act that way towards women.
And that’s why I gave up on multiplayer games years ago. I play to have fun, not to be the dartboard for these children’s unresolved mommy issues when I’m not even getting paid for it.
e: hey downvoters, how about you reply with why you took issue with my comment. I’m honestly curious about what I said that you didn’t like. Was it that you’re manchildren who can only challenge people you perceive as lesser than yourselves, and that’s only women and children, or was it that I called you out in the first place? Please, let me know where on this porcelain doll I hurt you.
The absolute least you can do is to tell me how my words injure you so. Downvoting with no comment is a bitch move.
But that shit just sucks. Women shouldn't have to bar themselves from multiplayer because dudes are insecure. We need some real mental healthcare and some real culture adjustment.
I didn't understand programming at all when I was in school. I actually needed tutoring because I was doing so bad. I didn't get to pick my tutor, but the person who revealed how it all works to me and enabled me to do what I do, was a woman.
I downvoted and You asked for the why and here it is: I'm also programmer and I have experienced aggressive behavior both, from women to men and the other way around but only between those that were close to each other (friends). I have never experienced the same behavior between colleagues that were not familiar to each other and also not from supervisors to lower grades.
I know that my experiences are just mine and others may have made others so the downvote is because You're assuming there's a structual problem where there is just your own personal experience. To round it up, I have not much respect for ppl who direct themselves to the victim role.
Skill issue? Okay- it's a well-landed burn.
But more on the button, it's an insecurity issue. You can be low-skilled (maybe a beginner?) and not try to bully women when you're getting beat or in your feels about it. It's always the insecure men that do this.
Insecurity is the skill issue of self-confidence.
The irony of course being that by doing this they lower their status anyway. People respect you more when you respect others
Some folks just cannot control bad mood and act before they think.
Or they don't care anyway.
Seems legit
G*mers 🤮
Anyhoo, hope to see y'all at Jim's Bible study this Sunday!
Yours truly,
Edel Berman
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That's impressive. You don't trust gamers, but you have enough technical skills to send a text from a dishwasher.
Honestly, I'm just glad to see hardware supporting open platforms like lemmy.
Thank you Edel. I hope you had a great day at the fair and looking forward to meeting you on Christmas. Grampa died last night. LOL
Oh dear, Margaret, I'm sorry to hear about Grampa. Send lots of LOL to your kids for me!
Hoping to taste more of your world-famous pecan pie soon,
Edel
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I'm sure racism is similar.
It absolutely is. It's a pretty well established observation for example that the great ancient structures built by white people never have alien conspiracy theories associated with them unlike those in the rest of the world. For a more modern example, a huge part of the "those damn Chinese/Indians/Mexicans/etc are stealing our jobs" rethoric comes from hatred of the fact that people in those places are getting better at and even surpassing the West in skilled labour when in the minds of racists they're supposed to be backwards and primitive compared to white people. People of color and Indigenous peoples in high paying positions (who are already severely underrepresented in those positions) are also much more likely to receive hate compared to white people of the same rank and pay, where racists literally say things like "they don't deserve to be there" or "they probably faked their qualifications" when there is no evidence of that. They were also banned from attending universities for the longest time specifically to keep them uneducated and reinforce the notion that white people have superior intellect.
Doesn't Stonehenge have some conspiracy theories around it?
Misogyny is a skill issue -> sounds about right. Insecure loser suckass snowflake pissbabies get angry at others easily and blame them for their inadequacy.
You see this stuff in primates too. Though I wish I could remember which monkey. Either way, when a male loses its status in the hierarchy, they take out their frustration on another member that is less able to defend themselves. Which is usually females and juvinile males.
Non-human primates, but yes. Also, it's not restricted to male non-human primates and is also seen in females, especially in your various macaque and baboon species wherein female status is largely inherited from one's mother and sisters.
Fair enough. It's just another thing we share!
I just learned I might be misogynistic. :(
Well you've taken the first step to correct it :)
"they'll lose status." Sheesh! I've heard it all now. I don't doubt this is exactly how some male gamers behave. What a world.
I want to know why they were using Halo 3 as a benchmark in 2015. Reach, 4, and MCC were out by then with 5 coming soon. Not disputing the legitimacy of Halo 3, 2nd best Halo imo after 2, but add odd choice.
They started testing before the study came out. I don’t know video game history, but publishing takes a while
Looks at KDR, hmm I guess I hate women now.
I wonder which causes the other. Openness towards feedback from any source makes you better at things generally and tuning out good advice from a source you don’t like hinders progress
So follow up: what do we do about it? I've traded some stories with ladies in my life, and I've never quite understood how some guys are ok with themselves when they pull these kinds of things.
I'm not a saint, and emotions can get messy. It was tough having an ex who was financially and academically more successful than I. I dealt with it, just knowing she was doing her thing, and I was still more mechanically skilled than her. I dunno what one would do if their partner is better at literally everything than you.
If it should ever happen though, yelling at and degrading them seems like a waste of energy, and of a nice relationship. The whole thing is wild, frankly.
It's capitalism, where we're forced to compete instead of cooperate.
Its a video game...
You don’t need a study to acknowledge people that still live at home, in their parent’s basement, get flustered when females gain the upper hand and are cordial when they are on top.
Did you notice that you implied men are people but women are females?
The word "female" always carries some dismissive message for me. I don't know about you - English isn't my native language - but it feels like whenever someones uses that word to describe women (i.e. half of the people on this planet) it's meant to de-humanize them. Like a female animal or something :(
Firstly that's not what the study said and secondly yes we did, just assuming things that feel right is easy but not very useful.
To your added assumption I would guess that's actually wrong, the stereotype you describe of a shutin that plays games all day is likely to be far more competent than someone who works 9-5 and spends most evenings with their wife - going by the study the latter will be at the bottom of the table hurling insults at women while the greasy gamer is sitting at the top giving friendly advice and polite compliments to the women on good team.
Which is exactly why we DO need studies for things that it's easy to assume the answer to, this has highlighted an interesting insight that's worth building on and investigating further. Maybe rating players attitudes and looking at their steam account to approximate the amount of time they play games, we might find something unexpected like people who play that most games are the least toxic and people who play only once a week are very toxic - then we could look at reasons, maybe that use gaming as a stress realise but since they don't do it as much as they'd like they unleash their stress in other people, this might result in more awareness the importance of stress relief and the suggestion people find more time to game or our another study could look at differences in the behaviour of the casual gamers and identify what trends there are within that group that predict hostility - it might even be possible to implement features that benefit casual players and reduce their toxicity, game modes that help you rember the controls and skills for example if skill loss is related to toxicity for example.
Again let me say those are just example speculation and we don't know how true SVG of it would turn out to be, that's why more studies is a good thing.
