Decided to give outlook a try cause of good integration on Windows. Uninstalled it the second I saw an ad on my inbox. it even shows up as regular mail and you wouldn't know it is an ad unless you look closely at the small
Adsign at the corner.Also the new version, which might be beta still, just sends you to a web browser to do shit in. If I wanted to open emails in a web browser in the first place then I'd do that.
I mean, I’m fairly sure the new client is a web wrapper, either electron or some alternative since the actual application has parity with the web version (I use it at work). If it is redirecting you to an actual browser there’s likely something wrong with your configuration.
Since I use the enterprise version there’s no ads whatsoever. I don’t find it particularly good but it’s decent enough.
well there's the windows mail app that exists
Ugh, native ads are the worst! 🤬
That's why I've set up Outlook on K9.
Second reason is because installing outlook adds Bing search to long press context menu.
https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-outlook-long-press-menu-bing-search/
It also adds "search with bing" to Android long touch context menu, when using any chromium based browser.
Huh, I used to use Outlook in a previous company, it had the old look and that, if I was still using it I'd never thought we would get ads built in there 🫠
We are REQUIRED to use outlook at my job, along with all the MS bullshit. I've changed my Thunderbird interface to make it look exactly like outlook, synced my calendars, and kept using it for the past year or so. They have no clue. I hate Microsoft with passion, I will spent hours of my free time to find ways to be out of their ecosystem if I need to, and I usually manage to do so.
Cant they see the email domain? Or thunderbird accesses outlook?
AFAIK thunderbird can access outlook.
I honestly don't know much about how that works. I've just managed to sync outlook emails to Thunderbird with the Exchange protocol or something. I get taken to my organisation page once every two weeks or so, for the 2FA, and everything works just fine. I'll just play dumb if IT ever ask me question but so far so good.
There are people in my workplace (which uses Gmail) who willingly use Outlook to access it then complain about Outlook problems. Outlook is the biggest piece of trash email client software I've ever used.
At one place I worked at, it was OBLITERATING any mails from one particular person because of a completely unrelated filter I had. Email notifications from them would appear for a few seconds, then the email would completely disappear (not even in deleted, or in any filter folders). Everyone else cced could see the emails except me, and IT couldn't figure it out. I had to disable ALL my filters which trashed my inbox with stupid work circulars. Fuck Outlook.
My work won't allow thunderbird for o365. :(
How do I convince the security dudes to allow access to it?
Cannot Start Microsoft Outlook. Cannot open the Outlook window. The set of folders cannot be opened. The operation has failed.
As the de-facto IT admin in a small business, this message haunts my dreams and I hate that I know it by heart. Time to make a new mail profile and configure all the accounts again. Its not like it's the seventh time on this computer. It's not like I've reinstalled Outlook three times already as per Microsoft's "accepted solution".
There's a reason I don't use Microsoft software on my hardware.
One time, when I had to use outlook, someone called me asking why I wasn't replying to emails since like 3 days. Turned out Outlook had decided I could receive emails, but when I was replying, the email would put in a special folder "to be sent" or something, because the MS outgoing server was not working. I looked like a fucking imbecile when I figured it out and tried to explain what happened.
Another fucking stupid outlook thing is that you can only schedule send emails from the Web client, not the desktop app. If you try to do it on the desktop app it sits locally in your outbox and only sends if the PC holding the email is on. And if it's off when the scheduled time passes, the email just sits in the outbox. So incredibly stupid.
Back when I was on windows, I didn’t even bother with clients anymore. The new outlook has ads in it and barely works.
I use Thunderbird now since they updated their interface and it’s very pretty and fast. Couldn’t recommend it enough.
Yeah, I never thought I'd use a dedicated email client anywhere but work, but Thunderbird is really good.
I also use K-9 on mobile, which I like even more, but marking messages as spam never seems to stick. I still keep getting absolute trash from Google, even though I unsubscribed to updates a long time ago.
I was a K-9 user for a time there. I sprung for the Nine client's 1 time buy for my work email so I could control with a schedule notifications and mail retrieval.
I now use it for my Gmail client so I can add inline photos to my messages on Android.
I know it's hip to bash all things Microsoft, but Outlook is my life at work. It's absolutely fine if you're not predisposed to hating things.
Yeah I don't mind Outlook, I also use it for work and it does the job just fine.
And it has folders. I still don't like Gmail's "labels"
Outlook is fine, but you can tell there is no real competition and they just haven't really bothered putting any effort into it for years.
Yup. So is edge and teams with 365.
But most of these people haven't got a clue what they're talking about. The other has never worked in an office environment.
Even fewer yet, had the displeasure of working with g suite.
It's better than the native Mail app by Apple.
I do hate the new web based experience though. The executable client is very good.
I also work almost exclusively in outlook (and ERP programs) but honestly Outlook is just bad at so many things, especially when working with the volume of emails we do. So many crashes, so many QOL functions that just don't exist, so many minor issues that a 2 trillion dollar company should be able to fix.
I've got no problem with it, especially after I created some macros to tag and sort my emails.
Not Oracle Cloud ERP/EPM though. Those are the worst programs I have to use on a daily basis. For whatever godforsaken reason, the Smart View extensions for the Office apps are all connected to each other so if you're running some SV function in Excel, Outlook will freeze up.
No worries, you can just disable the plugins in the other apps, right? Wrong. The plugins automatically re-enable each other.
I've had connection issues and app instability a bit often, especially with the iOS version. Part of it might be our email server but I'm finding issues I never have with Google or even Yahoo clients. It's not awful, but there are better and cheaper options at enterprise level.
I use thunderbird, though it really feels like it has terrible performance for me. Feels like a really heavy program for just an email client.
Still better than having ads on your client.
Thunderbird is great for me. I've used it for near on twenty years, and it flies compared to Outlook, especially for searching.
Very fast for me as well. I just launched it to check, and it took just a second or two to cold launch it.
Takes a few more seconds to refresh and get new messages. I think it's actually faster than checking my email in browser, especially since one of my email addresses is the Yahoo! account I created in the 1990s and use for junk subscriptions.
The problem is. Nowadays all email clients have to be browsers cause email text is sent as html
That new design update definitely made the performance worse. And it looks pretty much the same anyways. Wish I could just revert it to the old one.
What sucks the most is Dark Reader. Previously it worked fine for emails, but now it always takes a second to load. I'll never forgive the thunderbird devs for this "update".
After the redesign I'm honestly surprised half of the world is not on Thunderbird already.
There's a setting to make it use the old interface. I don't know what I'll do when they remove it :(
Nice one, made me chuckle!
I was expecting a thunderbird meme.
owa is so much better than outlook for me, at least for my work email. There's actual dark mode, the servers seem to do all the heavy lifting so it never seems slow, the attachment preview is better and i can download a message as .eml instead of proprietary .msg format. Probably once a day I have to hit F5 because it starts acting weird. You can also make it a PWA. Seriously if you have to use corporate email give OWA a shot.
the servers seem to do all the heavy lifting so it never seems slow
Never thought the day would come when an EMAIL CLIENT's performance benefited from cloud processing. How bloated is this shit?
We have workstation machines at work, Outlook is a dog app and OS is not great either, and search is absolutely garbage. So now I boot to linux and use the web version and it is peppy. So processing on a server is better for this junk they release.
takes Notes oh no, this is even worse!
I use Luke Smith's script https://muttwizard.com/ to set up neomutt usually. Or Thunderbird. I have tried to get mutt working many times on my own and at this point I honestly dont think that I am smart enough.
I haven't really used an e-mail client since I got my hotmail account. Then later went to gmail.
Are there any advantages over using a web interface?
Unless you to self host, no
try posteo.de
Vivaldi's mail client's pretty good, integrates into your browser much. Although no PGP support, that's a bummer.
Windows used to have an email client that was just called Windows Mail. It wasn't Outlook and it was actually quite a nice little email client as far as MS software goes. They announced that it would be discontinued though for the sake of getting everyone into outlook. I started using thunderbird instead.
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Outlook is a pile of crap, like every microsoft shitware, especially the electron crap, like outlook, teams, etc.
Mailspring is good, has nice features and is totally enough for normies
Oh that looks good. Gonna check it out.
Not just normies. I liked using thunderbird but it felt so bloated for my use case (not to mention the sluggishness) . I just want to read my email, I don't need an entire suite of things like calendars or extensions (I understand why people use them, I just do not need or want them). Mailspring was by far the best option for me.
That's an understatment.
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Just use gmail..come on. Who's using clients in 2023. Even outlook's web interface is better.
If you work for a company that uses Exchange, you don't have much choice about using Outlook.
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