Please stop trying to rationalize with them. Please stop tolerating their hate. These people don't care about logic or morality. The guy in the photo at the Nazi rally with the tatted face and meth teeth blames his problems on Jews. They only understand power. That's all they know. That's the only way they'll be stopped.
With that said, can some of y'all come down here to Florida? We've got a Nazi problem that's getting out of control and can use some support. They've been here this whole time in hiding, but since the government has recently been tolerant of their intolerance, they're coming out in pride. They're cowards that blame their own issues on vulnerable people. They don't blame their problems on dominant peoples or cultures in power, just the minorities. So, with enough show of strength, they'll go back into hiding or move away to Argentina.
Look at their little insurrection attempt. One Capitol officer misled them due to their lack of organization, and another officer fired one round. All it took was a distraction to jack up their plans and one shot for them to tuck tail and run. A coup failed due to a deception and one bullet.
Imagine if the real Nazis would have been stopped before they built their war machine. That's where we're at right now. Things can get soooo much worse if we allow them time to gain more power.
With that said, can some of y'all come down here to Florida? We've got a Nazi problem that's getting out of control and can use some support.
I don't mean to be negative but what can other people do? I feel like it'll be difficult to motivate the average non-racist to move to a place where they might have worse job prospects, get ostracized for their political/social views, and get both harassed and potentially arrested/killed by the police for trying to protest against racism.
I used to love Florida, but it's doomed. Between climate change and fascism we just need to write off the state entirely and build a wall along the Georgia border. Best we can do is try to control the insanity and let those who have decided to stay down there burn themselves out. Better for you to get out than for us to come down.
Sorry to say but I've made it clear to even my employer that Florida is a no go for me. To the point where I will seek out flights that do not have layovers there if it comes to that. Being trans and having the use of bathrooms outlawed forces my hand. A ton of industry conferences are leaving the state as soon as their contracts are up.
From a distance you think is the bigoted dumbass seriously walking around in blackface? If you’re unfortunate enough to get closer the context changes but the message remains the same, bigoted dumbass.
I live in Portland. That shit ain't fun. This place was and remains a magnet for chud mouthbreathers to try to start shit
People are always like ANtiFa and NaZis are the SaMe! Violence solves nothing!
Guess what got those assholes to stop coming into my city en masse to menace residents? Getting confronted and not being allowed to run roughshod all over the place. People fought them and doxxed those fuckers to their employers and families. There hasn't been a notable right wing rally here in at least 2 years.
Nazis and their ilk are by nature cowards. Thinking it'll blow over if you ignore them does not work and emboldens them
I firmly believe that watching you guys fight them off so successfully is what got the leftists around me to actually go and get armed. Took them long enough, but I'm finally seeing a lot more leftist rifle association branches.
Given equal numbers and technological prerequisites I would believe that old Nazis were more dangerous. Neo Nazis are just brutal lowlifes who usually turn to a hateful ideology in order to create the illusion of being basically valuable and good but held back or even oppressed by [INSERT MINORTITY].
Old Nazis were so invested in their collective psychopathic worldview that they could regard the extermination of others as something that may be pleasant or very hard or even sad but in any way just neccessary, so it had to be done.
Among other things. I doubt that there would have been any tolerance for his teeth or his tattoos. Also, he would not have been able to convince anyone that he belongs to the same race.
He would have been exterminated along with the people he detests.
One of the reasons I love that I'm in Germany rn. You don't get people casually joking about Nazis then laughing it off like it's nothing. It is literally against the law, and people treat that topic with actual respect.
It's more that the US is all about personal liberty and personal freedoms. Other places that you're referring to have a charter of rights, which still allow for personal freedoms but are also constructed to protect minorities or at risk groups, like Jewish people.
That said the Bill of Rights that the Americans produced was first of it's kind and amazing. Personally I just don't think they got it quite right and charter of rights take into account the personal liberties of all people and not just the dominant majority.
Freedom of speech. Everyone is able to be heard, even if their opinions are distasteful. It's what the US was built on and why people can fly swastikas and wear klan hoods without being arrested.
They can only be arrested if they commit a crime, not because their views are horrible. You can walk down the street yelling racial slurs at everyone and that's perfectly legal as long as you aren't being violent or inciting others to violence.
That doesn't mean society has to tolerate them - counter-protesting is alive and well, and Nazis have been fired from their jobs for their views. But the government can't arrest them simply for being Nazis.
I mean, we also have freedom of speech here in Germany. There are (harsh) limitations around hate speech and insults but besides that you can say what you want.
What’s also a definite no are nazi symbols. Swastikas, SS runes, nazi salutes, etc. are only ever allowed in the context of education and art (like period films and as of fairly recently, games).
We also still do have regular day to day nazis in Germany and sadly the far right party AfD has been growing in numbers over the last few years, taking a lot of inspiration from US republicans in their talking points and rhetoric. Since July they are in a county government for the first time, having only ever been an opposition party until then.
Germany wasn’t built on the principles of freedom (of speech) but that human dignity is inviolable. That’s Art. 1 of our constitution. Only Art. 2 then defines personal freedom.
Is "Jews get the rope" an incitement to violence? Because these recent rallies seem to be hitting very close to what are the commonly-accepted limits on free speech in America.
Just the Disney pullout of their Orlando corporate campus has lost the state a billion in taxable spending. Add to that the cancellation of multiple large conventions and the elimination of consideration for future conventions. Thousands of other businesses, organizations and tourists are cancelling trips and avoiding Florida and this is going to add up to an enormous sum that the state will never recover.
Lots of conservatives may be fascists, but I'd be willing to bet their attachment to their own economic comfort is stronger than their ideology. IMO Florida's had enough of DeSantis and he is going to soon join Scott Walker in political oblivion.
Also, the military will likely remove bases there and will not expand existing ones or build new ones. They're doing so much damage to the state, yet the voters can't see it somehow.
There was a Nazi party here in the US and a lot of people admired Hitler when he was rebuilding Germany. There were even some members of the press that expressed admiration when they covered the reforms he did.
Privilege can let you get away with a lot of things. There were concentration camps for Japanese-American citizens but none for German or Italian. For the Italians they were asked to persuade their extended families in Italy to stop fighting against us. I'm not sure what was asked for the Germans. My source is from documentaries I've seen (I really like this one).
There was widespread racism directed at Italian Americans that ran for decades. My grandmother's mortgage from 1955 had language referring to Italian America quotas that needed to be referenced so they were not exceeded. That meant the town had to sign off on Italian Americans buying the home.
German is the most common ancestry in America which is likely why we did nothing about German Americans.
From what I learned talking to many WWII vets of German descent, they pretty much all said, "welp our cousins are starting shit again, time to go give them a spanking," and signed up for service in droves even before Pearl Harbor. Lots of Teddy R. fans in that group.
I don't think you need to veer into shitting on people who like or have body modifications. This dude's a fucking Nazi because he wants to be, not because he has a face tattoo.
I'm sorry, it may be judgmental, but if I see somebody with face tattoos, it doesn't say "high intellectual level" to me, especially at the level of this guy. I'm seriously wondering here what face tattoo would say "I'm intelligent", which one would say "I'm highly educated", which would say "I'm a reasonable person" and which one would say "I'm not riddled with mental health issues"...
For the first two: I'm sorry. Do with your body what you wish, put a ring through your ass if you like (that must be fun on the toilet!) I don't care. But in current society, your face is your calling card. If you have purple hair with 2 nose rings and a bunch of tattoos, don't complain if you're not hired to be the face of any organization whatsoever. If you put a tattoo on your face, of all places, you simply make your life a lot harder in practice. How many intellectuals do you know that look like our buddy on the OP article? I don't know any.
For the third one: I guess there are Buddhist monks that have facial tattoos? I honestly wouldn't know, but I'm betting good money that they still don't look like our slightly mentally deficient buddy upstairs
For the fourth: Yeeaaaahhh.. Unfortunately, people with mental health issues don't always take the best decisions for themselves. Consequently, a lot of them are homeless (not judging at all here, they need help) a lot of them are addicts (again, not judging, it is what it is) and a lot of them get things like very highly visible body modifications.
In case of our little asshole up there in the article: Dude, don't tell me that you think that this guy has even a basic education (he likely doesn't), let alone is an intellectual, that you think he's intelligent (oh boy, oh boy, is he not), that you think he's reasonable (Yeaaaahhh, press X to doubt) or that you think he isn't riddled with mental health issues (I'm betting good money that he has a list of issues that require professional health to fix)
I'm sorry, I may be judgemental but if you look like that, you have problems.
Behold the master race, its comforting knowing every time he sees his reflection all he sees is this hideous mess. it's like looking at a desk in detention, fascist scum
It goes without saying that fascists in general are the scum of the earth but...
Hitler revered the English in particular. He was devastated that they entered the war opposing him for this reason. The British empire was, in his view, a thing to be admired.
They go where nobody is going to give them any resistance. Try come doing that shit in my neighborhood and see how it goes. We all know what we have to do to stop them. The sooner we stop bitching and whining about it and start doing it the better off we will be.
Depends on how before you want to go. Before trump it was a fuckin weird state, but not a bastion of hate. Florida being fuckin Florida is actually a relatively recent thing.
No. No. No. I was born here and we are being invaded. It is not ok. Take your assholes back, please. A concentration of them in one place is not good. Florida was democratic when I was a child (walkin' Lawton Chiles never lost a race, and we were the only gulf state to disallow drilling off our coast.) And solidly purple until very, very recently (last few years) just gerrymandered to fuck once the Republicans seized the State Senate so it wasn't so obvious.