Canada's Carney says Trump must stop comments before bilateral talks can start
Canada's Carney says Trump must stop comments before bilateral talks can start
Can someone explain to me
- Why does he think Trump the yaphead would ever shut up about anything ever
- What good are "bilateral talks" with someone that can't keep their word anyway ?
What is the point here trying to show everyone just how much of a illequipped, stay-the-course, liberal empty suit he is and how he's going to boldly going to try to "do the same thing we've always done except not woke this time and hope it keeps working"
Don't these people understand that the US is only good at one thing and it's eating liberal banking stiffs alive ?
Are they trying to lose on purpose ?
You should put your stilted commentary as a comment so we can upvote the article and downvote your ridiculous hot take.
Yeah what an awful take. The pm says I'm not gonna waste time while he's making these comments. And op says what an empty lib threat.
Sounds like op wants Canada to join the US
On the contrary I think we should be buying enough top of the line ATGMs to give American tank columns the "ukrainian welcome" when their tanks are stuck in 401 traffic.
I am offended by how bad this Carney guy is playing the liberal "head-in-the-sand" "if we don't move maybe the predator will go away"
Obviously another excuse to give us absolutely nothing and let smol PP le poilus have his stupid slogans about housing costs while Carney gets tangled, failed in advance fake negociations with the americans.
He thinks just taking down the woke flag and cutting carbon tax is enough, he is sadly mistaken. In fact, I cannot believe any competent political operator could make this mistake. They know very well to bleed us dry and if that means the convervatives meat-heads will be the ones to do it, that's all right with them too. Either way their stock portfolio will be fine, Canadian or American.
Don't mistake my criticism of this empty suit as support for any of the other awful, do nothing political parties.
I followed your lead on this and re-submitted it without the pathetic commentary
Thanks. I was thinking of doing it, but got pulled away.
100% this.
We have a real dilemma here.
I think this is Carney doing his job to diversify trade and not wasting time on conversations that won’t end in anything productive.
The only reason you go to Trump now is to capitulate, show weakness and reward bad behavior. We don’t maintain our sovereignty on bended knee.
Yeah. Carney may be a vanilla Liberal PM but he's playing this right. He's not engaging with Trump on Trump's terms. He's telling Trump to shut the fuck up about annexing Canada or there's no discussion to be had.
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This doesn't say he does or he doesn't think Trump can do it. It sets boundaries. This is how you deal with a narcissist. They will resist setting boundaries at all costs, but until they can show good faith by accepting even this very minimal one, we cannot move forward.
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Obviously no one can trust Trump over the long term. But if he can eat some humble pie and stop making comments about Canadian sovereignty, that does go towards building trust over the short term. And that's the best you can do with someone like this. We are obliged to deal with Trump and you haven't presented a better course of action.
There is a multiplicity of options to give Donald a bloody nose and make the american enter the Find Out stage of their fucking around. I'm really disappointed special operations didn't pull the plug on them during the superb owl!
There is a multiplicity of options to give Donald a bloody nose and make the american enter the Find Out stage of their fucking around.
It is in everyone's benefit if things don't have to come to that.
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Your tone tell me you don’t try to understand the true advantage-disadvantage of Carney’s position because you already decided to undermine him from the very start. Disagreeing is just the start, you need to show the concept of an alternative behaviour and a reason as to why you think it will yield better results.
I, myself, agree with Carney so far and on this position. I don’t have pink glasses : it will sck being a Canadian citizen for many years. The thing is, it will suk just the same giving in to Trump, at least with our sovereignty intact we can grow over time after the initial turbulence subsides.
There is no going back, there will not be negociations, the americans want to loot us and it's just a matter of not letting them. There will not be adults in the room and this "be nice Donald and keep your yapper shut until we have talks" is worrying if sincere and insulting if cynical. In either case it exposes this guy as the obvious empty banking mercenary suit that is almost certainly is. This is once again liberal just handing over all the ammunitions to the "bad cop" of this "two party one system" so we can get reamed for 4 years of Donald while they keep their hands clean.
The establishment is making them bet that "now that we're under attack we'll rally around the flag and not elect a system-smashing demagogue". That's how they WANT to lose.
If this is the best excuse for spin that you conservative shills can come up with, I almost feel sorry for you because it’s so incredibly pathetic.
I don’t feel sorry for you though. Apply for a green card and gtfo out of my country, OP.
I think the answer to 1 is that he doesn't, so it's just a good excuse to avoid getting pushed into a situation related to 2. In other words, the POV is likely, "there isn't any point in bilateral talks, but let's say we'll do it if he shuts up about that thing that he can't stop talking about" - it's just a way to pin the blame for a lack of talks down South.
That's exactly the kind of hedging their bets centrist bull that will lose them the election. We already know they are insincere and there won't be negotiations because even an agreement would have no value. Give the Orange douche a bloody nose right now, rather than putting red lines he's obviously going to cross and that will just make Canada lose face for nothing.
That’s exactly the kind of hedging their bets centrist bull
Clarification required. What bets are being hedged here, regarding "there isn't any point in bilateral talks, but let's say we'll do it if he shuts up about that thing that he can't stop talking about" ? I don't see a bet and I don't see a hedge.
We already know they are insincere and there won’t be negotiations because even an agreement would have no value.
Yup, covered in "there isn't any point in bilateral talks" above.
rather than putting red lines he’s obviously going to cross
Not seeing that any such "red lines" have been put in. The closest is the demand that you-know-who stop talking about you-know-what, but ... a red line is "don't do yak yak, if you do that you cross a red line and we will respond by blah blah" and in this case orange voldemort has already done yak yak and there's no blah blah response given.
that will just make Canada lose face for nothing.
You've got a point here. But the moment that 51st state started to get mentioned, the face was lost. So in this specific category, is there really anything left to lose?
Give the Orange douche a bloody nose right now
Agreed! I'd argue we're already starting to do that (e.g. Doug Ford's electric surcharge threat).
Well Trunp has already wiped his ass with CUSMA, and his word / signature is utterly worthless on international documents. Carney should NOT sit down with fascists liars who can’t not lie. Even if Trunp dials down (which he won’t) he’ll just turn around two seconds later and start up again with the 51st obscenity. I agree with Carney icing him out. Fuck the US.
Carney is probably the smartest man at the big table right now and he knows how to play the game.
This is gonna be interesting to watch.
Yes defintely. And I’m here for it. I heard part of a podcast today with someone who had worked with Carney and it was very enlightening. He’s a hard ass. The podcast was the most recent episode of One’s and Tooze and he talks about his experience working with Carney at minute 8 onwards.
Yes, it's time for the americans to enter the Find Out stage
Carney is doing his due diligence.
painting red lines on the ground that the americans will cross while also laughing at us
This post is trash, I'm lucky I clicked to read the dumb comment. I scrolled read it and up voted because it made sense. I then clicked and saw the dumb comment part of it, so I had to down vote it.
As someone that's lived in Alberta for several years this is the dumbest take I've seen. What Carney's trying to do is to shift the focus and reestablish discussions for actual trade negotiations. Carney's choosing not to play by the dictator's narcisstic rules.
Why does he think Trump the yaphead would ever shut up about anything ever
Why do you think that he does?
- What good are “bilateral talks” with someone that can’t keep their word anyway ?
Then logically your first quesiton doesn't matter anyway.
Yes, I am doubly questionning this
How could a politician believe Trump would back down from such limp wristed grandstanding ? Of course they don't
And "bilateral talks", there will not be talk, the dictator will tell us their terms and we will tell them to go sit on a maple leaf and spin. We already know the American are acting in bad faith. To humor them is to cede ground to them.
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What Carney thinks Trump's going to do doesn't matter tbh. Carney's the new kid on the block, and he's showing he won't entertain "Governor Trudeau" nonsense for even a second. The more Carney lets Trump do sideshows like with Zelenskyy that is going to tank the Liberal's soaring approval.
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Despite the abject moron at the other end of the agreement, Carney's handling of a decades old partnership is also in the spotlight. Even if unrealistic or impossible to some degree (though I sense Canadian sympathy to Carney's situation), there are expectations on Carney not to unilaterally blow up the relationship Canadians and Americans have with each other unreasonably.
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Stay the course? He's already canceled the carbon tax. Although I'm not sure why he thinks dumb dumb would keep his mouth shut because he asked him to. Probably not gonna work out well for him. He should just talk down to him the same way Trump does to us. He's smarter than Trump so shouldn't be hard.