Brain Drain

Gather up your queens and kings. Time to make some more!

Not in America. Here, anyone can be a total asshole billionaire and purchased the entire country's political system if they so want.

It's actually XYZ

X is the American fascists

Z are the Russian fascists

Y is what you keep asking

Yes.

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You don’t think Europe wants our 19 year old whiz kids whose laptops overheat from processing excel files?

I don't think other countries are going to be chasing our science deniers like we chased rocket and medical scientists after the war.

Well...hopefully they'll get chased. Just not for the same reasons.

Operation Paperclip

modern nazis not so much

"Best we can offer is video gaming and saying slurs online."

Ye a swastica is an X with extra steps

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If only there was something the American people could do about this.

its true in some sense, if the pay goes out the window for scientist they will flee. theres already problems in the us getting people from undergrad to PHD(thats besides the current attack on it). such as wet lab work prior to graduation, plus who can even apply to grad school, if you dont have barely just to be under the requirements of grad schools. job prospects is low.

also grad school is more expensive since its not considered undergrad courses, and they charge more and you get no priority in classes. the biggest is wet lab work, where do you find it, catch 22

"intelligent people" are usually the first ones to be jailed or killed, and then they move on to blame POCs, and than other minorities.

Out of curiosity, what is your profession?

I'm worried that if there's war you guys will be affected as well. Running further seems more reasonable.

Or just. Everyone stop running please. When does the running stop? You eventually have to make a stand somewhere it’s either you or future generations paying this price. If you benefited enough to get out, stay and help others do the same.

I think I'd go to China if I could. I feel like the US is gonna fuck over it's allies first.

That woman on the bull is Europa (Ancient Greek Εὐρώπη, Eurṓpē), daughter of the Phoenician king Agenor, lived about 2000 BCE. The bull is the shapeshifted Zeus that is kidnapping Europa. They had sex and sired Minos, king of Crete. Minos is the one who feed the Minotaur by sending children into its labyrinth.

Yeah Greek mythology is weird.

EU - "Nation States"

Ireland, but it's a small country. As only EU English speaking country, I'm sure they've had to digest a lot of immigrants since Brexit.

The Netherlands and Flanders in Belgium has a lot of people understanding English. I'd suggest countries such as nl, be, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Norway, ...

For a Roman country, I'd suggest Portugal. However the trick there is to work online for a company from your home country. While enjoying the low cost of living there.

Here in flanders I live with my wife who is from Indonesia. She's been learning Dutch when she arrived since 2023 December. Whenever we talk to people, we speak in English. While the person then talks in Dutch to me whenever communication wouldn't be entirely easy for them.

The level of English is fine here. Job opportunities are limited for English speakers though. You'd need to find an international company that has everything in English.

Or a physical labour job.

My wife has a law degree, but until she masters Dutch, she will need to continue her job as a cleaner. (High minimum wage in Belgium, the job she does is 2/3rd subsidised by government. Which makes hiring people easier).

I have an accountancy job and honestly, everything is in Dutch. All the documents. Companies communicating with eachother is all done in Dutch so when that language isnt mastered, then it's impossible to be productive enough at a desk job.

Brussels might have companies that hire English speakers. However, Brussels is a place where you thrive when you speak Dutch, french and English.

Like at the airport last Sunday all the employees there spoke to me in Dutch, to my wife in English and to other people in french.

Personally I would suggest Ghent. Most English speaking city in Belgium.

Netherlands is best for money I hear, especially for the tax cut you get the first 5 years.

I live in Estonia and it has a nice startup culture, chill atmosphere, and just a great place to live, but salary is peanuts compared to NL unless you work for Wise, Bolt, or one of the 134234234 online casino providers. CoL is of course much lower than western Europe, but still much higher than it should be at the salary level here. But software engineers easily make 2-3x median salary, with 5-7x median salary not out of the realm of possibility at high-end positions in high-end companies. So you won't be strapped for cash if you're good.

I've heard Ireland is good. No idea of how true that is, but they do speak English, if reluctantly.

That said, the actual Irish language is rather melodic, and learning it is a fun project.

Switzerland

How are you this disconnected?

That is indeed what scientist look like to science deniers

FAFO

The EU has the second biggest economy in the world and contains 3 of the G7 nations (4 if you include the UK, which will almost certainly pivot back to EU membership in the next few years). All member states are part of NATO and France, Germany and the UK possess a significant nuclear arsenal.

But yeh, no real power.

PS 500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.

Ayyyy. Some good ol' Chinese shill. On our Lemmy. What an amazing day to be alive.

Go back to reddit ffs :D

So many Euro simps on Lemmy. It's like a circle jerk for Europe on here for some reason. Which is kinda proving your own point around the growing fascism (Nationalism) in Europe. This time it seems to be Fascism fueled by a "European" identity alongside a "German or Italian" identity. Though state nationalism is growing it seems to be growing along with EU nationalism.

It's very much fueled by anti immigrant (primarily anti Arab) sentiment. The most obvious of which is Germany. A country that has a national identity built around guilt for the Holocaust but at the same time pretending that they have some unobtainable (by others) perspective on Antisemitism. Which ironically is fueling modern day Antisemitism against Arabs in Germany.

Germany is literally repeating it's antisemitic past by blindly supporting Israel and blaming Arab immigrants for all its problems. Literally supporting a Jewish Supremacists Ethnostate that models much of Nazi Germany in it's oppression of Palestine.

Germany is just an example. But a lot of Europe (Poland being another strong example) is absolutely diving head first into the fascist pool. I don't see how anyone paying attention could disagree with much of what you said.

Edit: Downvoted but not a single reply addressing anything I said. Enjoy your Fascism Europe. You're going the same way as the US whether you are opening your eyes to it or not.

Why would they?

Where, though? Moon?

I’d say we are in an odd position. I don’t know when you last attended a PhD ceremony, but in engineering, over half were foreigners. The US already had a brain drain, by not producing top notch scientists and engineers. This is only exacerbating the issue.

Why do you think so? I know post docs basically only looking for jobs outside of the US, and several friends who got funding for grad or summer students cancelled, and know if one case getting pressure to change titles of dissertation to better align with the administration stance.

Science is getting hit hard here, the damage is done, and this could take decades to recover from. And that’s assuming things are able to shift back to where things were.

How so?

And by privilege you mean access to basic freedom and the pursuit of knowledge.

Most scientists are underpaid and overworked.

I'm super curious why you put scientists in quotes. I literally can't figure out what that's supposed to imply.