US fab construction costs twice as much, takes twice as long as Taiwan
US fab construction costs twice as much, takes twice as long as Taiwan
U.S. and Europe need to adopt new construction technique to be competitive.
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Also because we dont have the construction experience of building FAB's, and we have different building regulation and standards.
25% tariffs on steel also wont make it any cheaper.
Yes, and with all that combined twice as expensive and twice longer is kinda fine. Provided it will function.
EDIT: Except if ever TSMC Taiwan foundries' monopoly is no more, this means loss of a very specific kind of shield of Taiwan's de facto independence, which may cause a lot of interesting developments.
Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.
You're getting downvoted, but I work in the industry (GF, Intel, TI, TEL, Screen) and have heard horror stories from people who have worked on TSMC and even Samsung sites.
“Right to work”
cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.
Who is gonna tell this stable genius how US construction actually work?
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You saying things like OSHA and fall arrest harnesses and PPE don't affect construction speed in the US at all?
I am saying that original commenter is talking out of his.
Also, referencing OSHA here shows that you don't understand how a construction site functions. Sure there is regulations but lax enforcement, extensive usage of suncotnrwctors and less than legal labour makes all of that enforcement merely a theater.
If you think it's bad here, try other countries. I don't know about Taiwan specifically, but lots of countries have even worse enforcement.
A lot of countries have it better but I don't see my dear cuntry men strive for that...
Cope harder haha
Fun fact: Taiwan doesnt want its workers dying or disabled either
My comment had nothing to do with Taiwan, just the quote that sunzu2 said about how US construction actually works.
1950 wants its tired anti china tropes back
Noting that China has been almost universally hated for 75 years is actually the most anti-China post today, good job.
What rights are these of which you speak?
Those with which you don't have record suicide rates at workplace, probably, with workers jumping out of windows, the solution to which was to put grids like in prison. Talking of Foxconn.
I get it, people have it hard everywhere, but some have it harder, and between American and Chinese workers the relation is clear.
But America has a higher suicide raterate?
Compared to what? I didn't name a specific country, but you can pick some and let us compare.
The difference is that Americans want rights destroyed.
What benefits and rights are that supposed to be?
There’s a big cultural difference. Taiwanese workers, like Chinese, Korean, and Japanese workers as well, have a much higher tolerance for long work hours and less pay.
All of these East Asian cultures have long-standing social norms against complaining and refusing to work hard. It’s a collectivist culture of work that puts the success of the company ahead of the individual’s interests. In return, companies tend to be loyal to workers so it’s very common to stay at one company for your whole career.
We westerners used to have similar values back in the 1950s and earlier. That all changed during the counterculture.
I live in Korea. How do you define "loyal to workers?"
All of these East Asian cultures have long-standing social norms against complaining and refusing to work hard.
Pathological Culture of Bootlicking
Disgusting
You are correct, but people always want to believe their enemy's enemy is their friend, and if their enemy is ideological, then that enemy's enemy must be their ideological friend, and same with morality. That's never so.