A troll (https://lemm.ee/u/shinigamiookamiryuu) is a new moderator of AskLemmy on Lemmy.world. They recently trolled about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked". What can be done about this?
A troll (https://lemm.ee/u/shinigamiookamiryuu) is a new moderator of AskLemmy on Lemmy.world. They recently trolled about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked". What can be done about this?
Hello. I wasn't sure where to post about this and a friend directed me here. This is about AskLemmy on the Lemmy.world instance's newly appointed mod, shinigamiookamiryuu.
For clarity reasons I am going to mention they are also known as "Triagonal" and various other aliases. I'm using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here
I'm also trans, so I'd prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools (see image below) doesn't have access to my main account.
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Their modus operandi is this:
- They'll do/say reprehensible things.
- When people give evidence of those reprehensible things in the form of direct links, they will call it "slander". When this fails to work, they then try to gaslight everyone by saying "you're taking it out of context" "you cannot speak for my intentions" , hoping people fall for it. This is a very common tactic they've used for years. Don't fall for it.
- They paint themselves as a targeted victim, hoping people (including mods/admins) take their word for it and don't look into the links that got posted.
There is a person who has an account on Lemmy, who has a 5 year long history of malicious trolling, doxing, catfishing, creepy comments they made to someone they knew was only 14, and telling a trans person to kill themselves after shooting up a school then gaslighting people on Lemmy about it by saying "where did I say anything about a shooter". Their actions are such that multiple people are chronicling the various reprehensible things they've said and done and continue to do. They resort to doxing, impersonating, and harassing anyone who exposes them or isn't on their side which is why a lot of people who call them out use fresh accounts for their own safety.
Here's a screenshot of them telling a trans person to "do what the person in Nashville did". They are referring to the Nashville school shooter, Aiden Hale, who was trans. They also called them a Japanese slur that is equivalent to the f-word
Here's the creepy comments they made to a DeviantArt forum member who they knew was only 14 years old. They doubled down on it when confronted.
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940
They raised a big stink on Ye Power Trippin' Bastards for their mod actions on AskLemmy.
There are a ton of links to things the troll has posted, on their own accounts, such as when they trolled on AskLemmy on Lemmy.world by saying Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked though" and proceeded to gaslight commenters in the comments, then locking their own thread. They are highly manipulative and try to paint themselves as a victim who is being targeted for no reason by calling the evidence in the links "slander" and saying "you can't speak for other people's intentions".
Here's them trolling about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked though" and then trolling people once those people proved them wrong by gaslighting them about how "you can't speak for other people's intentions!".
They like to portray themselves as an innocent person who is "being targeted for no reason" hoping that mods and admins who are unaware of their history take their word for it without looking into things. They will claim to mods/admins that they're being doxed because their alias, which the troll publicly posts everywhere, was mentioned in posts exposing them. They do this because they want people who point out what they're doing to be banned, not because they're actually concerned about doxing. Please bear in mind that this user has been caught using an AI generated voice trying to pass it off as their own and they have been permabanned from Discord servers for making up excuses when asked by mods to prove they are who they say they are. They are using a fake internet persona.
They have been banned and had posts removed countless times for "trolling"
Proof https://lemmy.wtf/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=538316
Another thing this user will do is sign up on websites using the exact usernames of the people who originally exposed them on DeviantArt and then, once called out for this, will troll about being "inspired" by those usernames, omitting the fact they've 1. done this dozens of times 2. they only steal the usernames of the people who exposed them on DeviantArt. They'll also list their country on the impersonation accounts as being from the country of the person they're impersonating, among other things, like pretending to have DID on an account that's named after a person on DeviantArt who actually has DID and then manipulate people by claiming people calling them out on this are "denying DID exists".
They report any posts that aren't on their side, claiming they're being doxed because the poster used their alias, an alias they publicly use throughout the internet, and are known for faking many aspects of their persona online.
I apologize for the lengthy post, but is it appropriate for such a person to be a mod on AskLemmy, which is a popular community, given their actions both on Lemmy and off-site?
edit: They're now in this thread saying Elon Musk's Nazi salute was debunked and are comparing it to Pokemon. Link
ya'll need to just fess up and do naked things together to resolve this tension, because it's all seeming a bit unhinged
Holy shit I hope they get banned this is crazy
OP, sounds like the solution for you is to join another server and block lemmy.world.
LW is a huge instance with lots of great communities, content and members.
If we blocked every useful instance just because a nasty troll lurked under its bridge, then what would be the point of trying to participate in a healthy Fediverse?
I'm not saying that everyone should block LW. I'm saying that if one has an ethical objection to LW, it's on them to block the server. If they don't want to block the server because of its size, then it's also on them to either promote alternatives to LW or build your own.
No server on the Fediverse is too big for blocking.
Could you point where here I have trolled?
The fact it's slander aside, are people forgetting that the stuff mentioned details things from long ago, and then applying that as an inherent detail of the individual (or something automatically applicable to them, wherever they go)?
I haven't broken a single TOS rule here or any community rules in this community. The person laying accusations against me has broken multiple.
I mean, they did just come by just to attack me. I've dealt with this everywhere (not just in the fediverse) and they joined literally yesterday after their previous name (they admit that's them) was confronted.
Average Lemmy.world mod
Everybody involved in this should be prescribed time away from the internet lol
Well. I raised this exact question months ago as a hypothetical. I was trying to learn how lemmy works, and despite my arguements that this is a stupid recoarse, here is what I was told.
Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won't be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!
Alright lemmy users who aren't part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago.......this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios.....and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.
And again, to op and others in this thread, I want to remind you that I'm not being snarky to you. I'm being snarky to those people 8 months ago who argued this exact scenario.
They claimed the solution is to make AskLemmy2, everybody leave AskLemmy, and now the troll is a mod of a dead community. So yeah, I'm going to be snarky. I knew that was a stupid response to this situation.
So yeah. I'm full of warrented snark tonight.
Alright lemmy users who aren't part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago.......this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios.....and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.
I mean; It does work that way. See the [email protected] drama. People didn't like what the mods wanted to do, so they started their own ([email protected]) and it currently has more than twice the number of active users.
So it does work when most of the people give a shit. Problem is, most people don't.
Also [email protected]
Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!
I find that stupidity infuriating. It postulates that communities are owned by moderators and not the community and users. That is authoritarian narcissistic garbage. No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!
That is how these places fail to grow most people encountering this stupidity just leave. Mods serve communities just like admin. The altruism of hosting is not some neo feudal ownership of users. I'm grateful for the time and efforts spent and willing to contribute myself in the ways I can to that democracy, but anyone that acts like that means they own me can shove a whole data center and the parking lot up their root directory. Communities have momentum and belong to the users only. ANY mods that do not put users first should be purged immediately. Mods are disposable. As a mod, I am disposable. I do not matter. I am the janitor. Any mod that can not say this should be purged immediately. Anyone with any hint of narcissism is toxic to the community in every instance. Every mod and admin action is harmful and should only ever be applied to those that are causing greater harm like bigots. There should be extreme prejudice by admin at mods that are active and taking actions that were not flagged by members of the broader community. I'll volunteer as a mod of any of the larger communities if that is what is needed. I trust users to make flags and there are very few actual actions needed here in any community.
Agreed. Hopefully the [email protected] migration gave us hope
No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!
Yup. I wish that it was possible to make it clear to moderators just how little of a fuck the average user gives about them. Because they generally seem to have delusions of grandeur and think of themselves as the most important people around. Which is fucking bullshit because without the users that they dismiss and treat like dirt, they wouldn't have a platform where they get to inflate their egos in the first place.
I actually made a post about this elsewhere but I'm gonna mention it here too. The reason the API thing on Reddit didn't cause every user to come here is because the moderators there made it all about themselves. To the average user, the whole 'protest' looked a lot like the people who treat users unfairly whining and crying about the admins treating them unfairly. And I can tell you, there was little to no sympathy for them. All they did was cry about their modding tools while locking entire communities that thousands or hundreds of thousands of people make use of. And they pissed everyone off.
I know that personally a big reason the API thing didn't do much for me in my decision to leave Reddit (or not) was because the same people that forced me into using services like reveddit because they like to silently remove people's comments without notice or a trace, were suddenly asking me for solidarity and to feel sorry for them. And at that time, my feelings towards the situation and the moderators who were crying about it was "go fuck yourselves."
It would be good, then, that I don't fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I'm aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person's warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn't some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.
It would be good, then, that I don't fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I'm aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person's warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn't some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.
You recently trolled about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked though" and when people proved you wrong, you proceeded to troll about how "you can't speak for other people's intentions" before locking the thread. You even used the "Roman salute" excuse and then went off on a tangent about Japanese anime.
A portion of your blog post supposedly debunking everything is just spent waffling about Elon Musk.
I reported that tool to another mod in AskLemmy, got nowhere. Same mod you mention posted an AskLemmy question, I commented, he removed my up voted comment and then deleted his down voted, nonsensical one. I asked why and he was super weird. I've had maybe 1 comment removed by a mod in 15 years of reddit and 1 of Lemmy.
It's a bad look for Lemmy, get rid of the dumbass.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Do you have a link or screenshot of those comments?
I am not sure what you are referring to as the logs don't show anything like that, but the closest thing to what you were describing was done because the comment advocated the acts of Luigi Mangione. As a rule enforcer, I'm around to enforce the rules, especially the TOS. In the case I described, I explained to multiple people that's why I removed it. And I'm she/her, not he/him (please don't do what transphobes do).
This thing never stops
See what I mean now? Proving them wrong (or not doing so) doesn’t just make this go away. These are a special kind of people.
Proven wrong how? The links I've provided in my OP are links to things you have said and done, on your own accounts. The ones that are YouTube videos include screenshots, many of which are supplemented by links as well to prove that they are genuine. Once people point this out, you attempt to evade questions by changing the subject, claim that people must be misinterpreting everything, or say "you can't speak for my intentions", which is the same tactic that you used when you said that Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked though" and then you locked your own post.
When you use an AI generated voice on Discord that you try to pass off as your own, a lot of people are going to assume that you're dishonest.
if its an issue for you. block the community and block the user and use a different community or make your own if its needed.
It appears to me that he's only arguing against the obvious nazi salute, but I don't seem to identify a pattern here. It's a bit thinly veiled evidence in my opinion.
Everyone should have the right to be blatantly wrong on some issues as long as it doesnt affect moderation. And since mod logs are public, why dont we wait on real evidence that shows he's unsuited to be a moderator?
Im willing to be wrong myself here.
As I see it, if he's a Neonazi and can Act freely in his moderation decisions according to his ideology, the whole mod team would be compromised.
So far it looks like a with hunt based on one single issue and a ban on a pokemon forum.
Edit: Usually the Nazis try to keep a clean unidentifiable profile when they try to sneak into mod positions.
Jfc, someone ban both of these twats
Filter the user, use a different community
So as a word to all those who are onlookers here and are wondering what's going on, this is the second person so far who has tried to participate in the same mass slander of me, as has been happening around the web. I figured this might happen, which is why I can redirect to my complete perspective, which proves the original asker/poster wrong. Ironically, the one thing they're consistently right about are their words "don't believe everything you hear", which also applies to things that seem convincing enough not to consult both sides.
It's the same person as the other posts. Not a second person.
Could something be done about it then? It's using a serious place as a way to incite a reaction with a combination of slander and doxxing. The same kind of thing happened elsewhere, and the people in charge there, from looking into it, can attest the campaign against me is little more than a means to pit people against an undesired person.
Just so people are aware, the link is to shinigamiookamiryuu's blog.
Also, they were recently caught using an AI generated voice on Discord while trying to pass it off as their own voice. There's more info about their attempts at deceiving people about their persona in the comments.
First of all, ad hominem. Second, it is nothing more than falsely-concluded speculation to say I asked myself. Third, I don't even sound how you claim/imply I do. Fourth, again, in bulk it has been addressed.
So, one day old OP, is 'your friend' your other account that just posted the same exact thing the other day?
Seems odd to accuse someone of creating alts
I explained that in my OP. I'm using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here
I'm also trans, so I'd prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools doesn't have access to my main account.
Then it's a good thing I neither want anything of yours nor am going to tell anyone that anytime soon, now isn't it?
I also never gave away any personal information not already given by one's user-name (and have given no other bit of info of anyone without their consent). You, on the other hand, have provided a literal dump. If what you're doing isn't "doxxing", what I've done most certainly isn't.
The fact this reply is getting thumbs downs just proves that those doing so are, in one way or another, puppets of the OP.