Conservative US influencer Candace Owens is barred from New Zealand weeks after a ban from Australia
Conservative US influencer Candace Owens is barred from New Zealand weeks after a ban from Australia
The ruling came weeks after neighboring Australia also rejected her visa request, citing remarks she made about Jews and Muslims.
Summary
Candace Owens, a U.S. conservative commentator, has been denied a visa to enter New Zealand for a speaking tour after being banned from Australia.
Australian officials barred her in October, citing her Holocaust denial remarks and potential to incite discord, following calls from Jewish groups.
New Zealand immigration laws prohibit entry to individuals banned from other countries.
Owens, known for controversial statements on topics like Black Lives Matter and vaccines, had planned to discuss free speech and Christianity at events in both countries. Tickets for her tour remain on sale.
It's nice that some countries are willing to institute consequences for fascist influencers. I'm eager to see how the social media ban affects things down the line for Australian young people, too.
I don’t know that the relatively anodyne descriptor “conservative commentator” and simply “visa” are strong enough to provide an accurate portrayal of the situation. (The article goes more into it; I’m referring to the lede.) She wasn’t going scuba diving and visiting the Sydney Opera House on a tourist visa. She was applying for a work visa and she’s apparently frequently crossed the line into holocaust denial. A lot of countries wouldn’t grant that visa.
I don’t really know much about her — I just read bits of her Wikipedia article — but to me, this sounds more like denying Alex Jones a work visa than something like banning a random “conservative commentator” like Megyn Kelly from visiting Aukland on holiday.
I think your summary is accurate.
Good move by New Zealand.
Or: Klandace Owens learns about using strong borders to keep undesirables out.
her Holocaust denial remarks
That tracks, because she's been going on about flat earth crap lately, and the Ven diagram of racist and flat earthers have a large overlap.
Actually the flat earther diagram is almost completely enveloped by the racist circle, specifically the "Nazi" variety of horrible people.
No one should let that trash in to their country
What an unfortunate thing to happen on free dozen eggs night
Genuine question, so if I can't enter China for... reasons..., does that mean the Kiwis won't let me vacation in the Shire?
Depends what those reasons are. Conspicuously bad-mouthing the Chinese government in a way that can be traced back to your real world identity might get you banned from China, but nowhere else, for example.
If it's something to do with drugs, illegal shipping of goods, a criminal record or visa shenanigans, any country would reserve their right to send you packing. That doesn't mean that would happen, but it might be in your interests to contact your country's New Zealand embassy, (or one of their consulates if there's one nearer to you), be really, really pleasant with whoever you talk to, and put your question to them, and ask if you can get their response in writing... and then stay the heck out of trouble until you try to go there.
It could save you a couple of long, unnecessary journeys and a heap of expense.
None of this guarantees you still won't be sent home even if the embassy gives you the all-clear in writing, by the way. But if you get a firm "no" from the embassy, you'll know not to go.
Thanks for the reply! No, I wasn't thinking about any "real" criminal activity. I'm from Germany and thus I'm very outspoken against the systematic murder of minorities. I may have peacefully protested at times and always wonder if China has my face stored somewhere on a server ready to barr me from access to their country, should I ever want to visit, which is unlikely.
We’re having fuck-candice-owens parties here in NZ.
Good
Oh I didn't think she had that much power and influence, I guess I was wrong
If you are a person who doesn't defend freedom of speech then you are not a defender of democracy. You can't have one without the other.
"Free" does not mean "unregulated". Fire in a crowded theater. Everyone who flogs the free speech argument in the service of promoting fascism can fuck right off.
Free speech =/= Speech without consequence.
She's free to speak whatever she wants. She's also free to live with the consequences of her speech.
This sounds so good on paper, but completely falls apart without carefully defining free speech. Like, what if I hire actors with prop weapons to march around minority neighborhoods and scream that they'll shoot any non-whites who try to vote?
You think that fun performance art is going to be healthy for democracy? Really?
What if I use AI to make convincing video footage of politicians I disagree with mutilating dogs and then graphically fucking their corpses? Do you think my commentary on their lack of support for dog shelters is going to foster democratic dialog, or do you think that maybe some voters will develop a viscerally unpleasant disgust and have trouble looking at them or engaging in what they have to say?
What if you buy a botnet and use it to convince both sides of the aisle that the other candidate is an authoritarian who will destroy democracy and try to control their life. Or to send death threats to people who publicly admit to being trans?
It is important to make room for marginalized voices to be heard, yes, that is essential for democracy, but there are also tons of bad actors who will try to use the very freedom you're trying to protect to deny others that freedom. A completely laissez faire approach to free speech will ultimately serve to silence the marginalized and further empower the wealthy.
Intolerance to the intolerant.
This might make her more influential. Some people may wonder why the government is trying to silence her by banning her and decide follow her as a means of rebellion.
I'm willing to risk it by deplatforming her and her cronies.
Elon Musk letting all the neo-Nazis and racists back on Twitter certainly didn't have the effect of making people more dismissive of those viewpoints
The only people she could influence are people that were already predisposed to fascist leanings in the first place. She's merely one rotten influencer, there are scores more of them out there--many of whom will easily fill the space she left with their own brand of bullshit
It will backfire in the short term, but it's better to take the hit now than to wait until she causes more trouble.