EU recommends outdoor ban on cigarettes, e-cigarettes and heated tobacco.
EU recommends outdoor ban on cigarettes, e-cigarettes and heated tobacco.
The European Commission wants Member states to ban cigarettes, e-cigarettes and heated products tobacco from outdoor areas, according to new recommendations published on Tuesday (17 September).
The only way to get Europeans to stop smoking outdoors is to get rid of all the Europeans
Fair and balanced.
Why don't we start by banning outdoor use of fossil fuels? :)
Because we can work on multiple things at one time and not whatabout everything
Forgot to add /s on my post. Sorry!
I was only aiming for the lulz because cities outdoor particulate matter or PM 2.5 is terrible, and mostly generated by cars. But their sales/ companies lobby are stronger than those of nowadays tobacco brands...
Yeah, or anything that directly targets treating avoidance of the whole global suicide notion.
I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I'm a non-smoker who hates cigarette (well, any kind of) smoke, and despite getting permanently nose-hit by CoVid, I can still smell cigarette smoke from miles away.
As much as it sounds lovely at first, this is restricting smokers way too much. If, as a European you find it ridiculous that you have to hide your alcohol bottle/flask/can with a paper bag in public in parts of the US, then this is even more restrictive. Apart from the dismissive answers to the question "Where should I smoke now", the only typical answer is "at home". Now, if these smokers live together with non-smokers then this is either forcing them to smoke under their nose or find the nearest place where it is allowed (good luck).
On the other hand, fuck yes. It is forbidden in bus/metro stops where I live, but not in the narrow, enclosed passageway leading out of the stop. Therefore, smokers get out of the train, start smoking as soon as they leave the stop (to be honest: right in the stop), and the two slow walkers right in front of me prevent me from overtaking, and the same is true behind me - so I have to inhale that shit while we walk along that long passageway. And not like it was much different on a busy pavement, in outside seating, etc.
If they actually disposed correctly of their cancer-sticks I would prefer to be a ban only on urban areas. But seeing how the entire floor is littered by the paper dildos, I think smokers haven't shown they can responsibly smoke in non-urban areas. Fuck them.
This reminds me a little bit of judging any kind of social (or ethnic?) group by the loudest ones. You don't see the decent ones not leaving cig butts. On the other hand, maybe it doesn't even matter if there are people who still leave them.
But similarly to the prohibition era, I don't think this will make smokers quit; this will just push the users to smoke/litter in less controlled areas. I hope I'm wrong.
We mock the USA paper bag because it works, and everyone knows what's happening.
Now that you mentioned... you're right, I always knew, even as a kid (I have only seen that in movies, though, which tend to make it super obvious anyway). In that case I didn't use the best analogy.
fuck yes.
I'm a former smoker, I miss them like I miss my first true love. Every now and then I still go for my pack and its been 5 years. I STILL chew nicotine gum but stop being pussies and fucking ban cigarettes. Stop trying to nudge smoking into this shitty little niche, Stealing peoples liberties inch by fucking inch is a bitch move.
Either be willing to fight the fight with the addicts and big tobacco or not.
Cigarettes, sure, but including ecigs sounds unreasonable? I quit smoking couple of years ago and regular cigarette smell makes me gag but Iqos and liquid vapes are not that offensive outdoors.
They still affect air quality for others
There are obvious health benefits from making smoking as annoying as possible for smokers which will lead to long term medical cost decrease. Secondary smoke from ecigs outdoors is still neglible compared to cars, farts and people in general.
I still find it annoying personally.
I find lots of things annoying outdoors but I guess it's not so common here to become an issue. Ecigs users are usually conscious enough to keep distance from other people. I hear it's getting pretty bad with disposable vapes but haven't seen much of that myself, likely a perk of not living in a big city.
Ecigs are just as, if not more disgusting than regular cigarettes. Vape clouds tend to linger in the air a lot longer. And then there's the fact that single-use vapes exist and it's a fucking disgrace.
I'd prefer not to get second hand popcorn lung because people feel special exhaling way too much unregulated chemicals.
Ban cigs but not e-cigs says e-cig user.
Sounds like the onion 😋
I have only smoked regular cigarettes (quit 5 years ago after 10 year long addiction). Not sure why you assumed I use ecigs. I can only say tribalism is a cancer upon internet discourse.
O hate regular smoke smell, but weirdly I prefer it to flavoured e-smokes. My brain is telling me that that's artificial as fuck and I should stay clear. And it's right.
So, where exactly are smokers supposed to smoke then when pretty much everywhere indoor smoking is already banned??
At home, in private lodgings and dedicated smoking areas.
This is one thing once more which would be a non issue if it weren't for the people who throw their stubs everywhere and blow smoke in the faces of others.
That's the idea. They aren't.
As much as I like the idea of getting rid of smoking altogether, this is a huge infringement on self-determination. Sure, go ahead and declare certain public areas as non-smoking zones. I'm absolutely fine with that. Even if it means that the entire inner city is such a zone. No one should have to inhale secondhand smoke. But if you're somewhere where you don't bother anyone, why should that be illegal?
The article says the focus is on kid-friendly outdoor areas like parks and near schools, which makes total sense as a place to start. Doesn't seem like it's everywhere outside being banned. And generally encouraging people to not take up smoking in the first place is wonderful. For people who smoke, quitting is the biggest thing they can do to improve their health.
This is a good compromise. I understand cafés wanting to be able to have their guests smoke at the tables on the street, and frankly if someone is walking the street at night by himself i couldn't care less whether he smokes as long as the remains are put in the trash.
The article uses the phrase “key outdoor areas” so I would assume this means you can’t smoke in a crowded plaza but you can still do so on your own balcony or whatever.
they should get a person sized air tight box, get inside, smoke as much as they'd like. but they shouldn't be allowed to open the box again because i don't want that shit going outside.
Don't, shit is nasty
I don't know, sounds like their problem.
Picking up smoking is a conscious decision.
How about focusing on getting rid of diesel fumes first? That shit smells awful and is way worse for you than 2nd hand smoke or vapes.
There are too many people here that seem perfectly happy with the idea of altogether outlawing cigarettes, tobacco, and vaping.