They really are Nazis at this point, aren't they.
They have been for a very, very long time. It’s only now that we’re hearing about what they really do out there.
Many points ago. Many, many points ago.
Always were.
What's a Nukhba?
The israeli term for Palestinian since october.
Originally it meant elite Hamas forces which participated in the attack. But israel just calls every Palestinian they kidnap or kill a 'Nukhba fighter". Easy way to justify any war crime. Everything is Hamas.
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Memri TV Indistinguishable at this point. Very ironic.
Makes sense. After all, Memri TV is made by Israelis. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute
members of the military directed pepper spray at the military police who came to detain the soldiers.
Holy shit! It's one thing when fascist politicians and their other brainwashed supporters resist justice, but when soldiers attack soldiers, "potential civil war" isn't even hyperbole anymore!
If you don't support the Israeli army raping people you are antisemite
important s/ because people don't even know anymore
I was puzzled when first reading that lol
Nobody unironically says that
Where is that video of the Israeli politician saying anything is okay since their enemy are animals?
Edit: oh wait, it is posted below in comic form
ohhh they do do
I think the only remotely sane person in the room was the one at the end who shouted "there are things you don't do". Albeit they're all advocating for genocide, so none of them are respectable.
In the past Israel got away with everything by simply denying all allegations. That one politician realized they need to keep up the facade. The rest of them do not believe they have to hide their crimes anymore. Now they say out loud what they have meant the past eighty years.
The rest of them do not believe they have to hide their crimes anymore.
The problem is that they might be right. They're effectively just wanting to accelerate the genocide and land taking until they've taken absolutely everything, before public pressure mounts up enough in, mostly america as their cash cow, to shut them down. They have the green light pretty much until the election, since everyone's scared that a major change to the status quo will alienate massive amounts of support for their own base and guarantee an election loss, something that's really only true for republicans I think, since a large part of that voter base is evangelical christian zionist. So they're basically just trying to score as many points as possible before the timer runs out, and deal with whatever comes up afterwards, if anything even does.
They're taking advantage of america's domestic political turmoil and instability, basically, which doesn't seem to show any signs of stopping for me, in terms of larger driving economic factors, unless we maybe get big sweeping FDR style reforms from kamala, which I'm not really thinking will be the case. Which for them makes a slight amount of sense, since they currently are basically just a vassal, a colony, of america, and produce little to export iirc outside of our military industrial complex, and as america collapses further and further, they're going to need to establish a more sustainable base for themselves with their priority obviously being to maintain as much power as possible. which means that they can't become a peaceful country or seek to play nice with their neighbors, which might not work anyways since their country is basically built on blood, same as america.
It seems on the surface like it's just some short term strategy for them, but it's only a short term strategy insofar as fascism itself is a short term strategy, and is a political philosophy incapable of actually having long term thoughts. But assuming their own political philosophy, all of what they're doing makes sense. Which is precisely why a denial by the US right now and an increase in pressure would be so effective at curtailing them, if only we had someone with the cajohnes and political power to step up and do so.
Justice Minister Yariv Levin said he was “shocked to see harsh pictures of soldiers being arrested”, according to Haaretz.
Khaled Mahajna, a lawyer with the Commission of Detainees and Ex-Detainees Affairs, shared the abuse recounted by two Palestinian detainees. One of them, a journalist, described witnessing rapes of detainees from Gaza inside the Sde Teiman facility, which has been compared to Guantanamo prison.
Another detainee was stripped naked, electrocuted and subjected to sexual abuse, Mahajna said.
“One Palestinian inmate died with a ruptured spleen and broken ribs after being beaten by Israeli prison guards. Another met an excruciating end because a chronic condition went untreated. A third screamed for help for hours before dying,” the newspaper said.
Stop being so harsh guys, jeez! I'm guessing they wouldn't be shocked to see "harsh" pictures of abused Palestinians.
Do that many people in Israel really support this?
I guess Lemmy doesn't have a big enough Israeli community to answer that, but I have a hard time picturing an analogue for this in other countries.
I would think they detest the act, but they would argue it wasn't rape because legally only a citizen can be raped and that the victims were traumatized repeatedly weren't citizens.
And they will be angry at you for making them think about it.
Israeli here.
There is enough bad blood between us and the Palestinians for many people to approve the rape, and after 7.10 they feel confident enough to vocally support it. At least - the mob on the street and in social media. The more subtle right-wingers (as you may have guessed - this became a partisan thing) don't condone the rape itself - but they have a few "but"s:
- They say that the soldiers are heroes that operate in harsh conditions, and we should be more forgiving toward such "venting".
- They say that we should be more skeptic toward the testimonies of the released Palestinians prisoners, and should not start investigations based on their complains.
- They say that the arrest of the soldiers could have been done in a more peaceful and gentle way. (personal opinion - this argument is the only one that has some merit to it. Doesn't justify the rampage though)
- The rampage against the arrest is a legitimate democratic protest, and the establishment is only handling it with extreme prejudice because it's a right-wing thing.
As the conversation in the Knesset I've linked below proves, it's not a fringe opinion in israel.
Update: Rape rioters won.
it becomes the first nation on earth to avoid civil war by allowing its military to rape prisoners
If this is true, it is only because usually the rapists got their way before enough people heard about it for it to become a civil war. Soldiers threatening mutiny unless they were allowed to rape people is a pretty common phenomenon in war.
Incidents like this almost certainly took place during the US American occupation of Okinawa, there just weren't smartphones to relay the information to the general public, other soldiers, and the government so they could take positions. Maybe the prisoners will be tried at a later date, like the US did with some rapists in the US armed forces.
Ok, just to answer this propaganda piece for future readers: Israel is now going through a faschist overtake. Israel's faschist government's actions are being objected by most Israelis, most past Israely politician 's from past MP's to past PM's. Most Israeli elites and most people involved in homeland security. There are active protests against the government and people are being arrested for it. Hope Democracy will win, you may continue the propanda now
The amount of protesters against the government is a tiny minority. Most of them do not even care about Palestinians but want the hostages back and their economy out of shambles.
Israel is an Apartheid not a democracy. The ICJ has recently ruled so.
I've heard worse excuses for a civil war...
How did the Israelites break the Covenant the first time again?
Insane that this is real. 25 years ago I was riding a public bus where the driver said the USA should turn the region into an ash tray because there is no saving it. We all thought he was fucking nuts, but damn look at this shit. It's hard to believe.
Your comment is like advocating for 9/11 . But far more extreme because it would be like Aghanistan was the party invading America for 75 years straight and Afghans getting mad Americans don't roll over and die.
