The amount of people here calling themselves âfar-leftâ and regurgitating republican talking points is insane.
Going from calling Biden too old (which isnât wrong but heâs still the best viable option) to defending Russiaâs invasion of Ukraine seamlessly.
(which isnât wrong but heâs still the best viable option)
Whoa, hey now I very much object to the certainty of this claim.
Yeah, David Axelrod, senior Obama strategist credited with Obama's successful elections, Obama speech-writers and communications director, and now numerous long-serving Congressional democrats disagree but, totally the best viable option despite poll after poll showing he's massively down and Biden's own current campaign strategists reporting they see no viable path.
If your ship hit the iceberg and is taking on water, any other nearby vessel is a better alternative. At worst, it's in the same condition. At best, it's not fucking sinking. 75% of likely voters say Biden is too old to run and Democrats have a better chance with someone else at defeating Trump.
Disclaimer: we need to jump ship now but I'll vote for a corpse over Donald Trump. I just think we'll lose if we stick with Biden and the data shows it.
Then the Democrats can pick someone else NOW and rally behind them. This constant undermining of Biden while not providing a good alternative and promoting them is just hurting Democrats chances to save democracy. This is irresponsible on such an obvious level I have to assume they are trying to lose the presidency.
I'm not sure I'd put much stock in modern polling.
A study suggests the debate had very little impact, but even if it didn't, historically, changing candidates this late hasn't worked out.
https://boingboing.net/2024/07/10/impacts-of-the-presidential-debate-far-overestimated.html
Axelrodâs jobs sound like he pretty much retired from active politics
Fuck Biden but never Trump.
To be fair not many people want to fuck Trump.
Boebs would probably take him to a dark theatre though.
Unfortunately, Biden may have lost too much support from his own party at this point. It's probably necessary for him to step down, regardless. You don't get Congresscritters of your own party calling for the presumptive nominee and incumbent to step down unless it looks godawful going into the election with the current ticket.
It's probably going to be Harris if he is replaced, which I'm... not thrilled with. But Blue no matter who. I'll vote for Biden if he's on the ticket in November - I'll vote for a fucking potato if I have to in order to oppose fascism. But he very well may be an electoral liability at this point, not a boon.
He'd be stepping down into the void. The primaries are mostly over. It'd just be the DNC deciding for themselves who the candidate would be. That would NOT please most voters. It's typical for an incumbent to be the nominee for a second term. It's not typical for a party to just decide who the candidate would be.
Itâs probably going to be Harris if he is replaced, which Iâm⊠not thrilled with.
If that's who they choose they need to decide now and start talking her up, even if Biden doesn't step down right away. We are past primary season. And honestly, she's fine. Not good fine. But she'll lose to Trump. Not for any part of her own merit or policies, but because America is a sexist, racist country and I do not have any confidence in them electing a black woman. Maybe is she was popular or charismatic like Obama was but we haven't really seen her do much.
I'll vote for neoliberal dementia grandad to try to stop fascist dementia grandad, without hope, just to be able to say I did what I could to minimize harm.
That said, if you don't see the writing on the wall that our constitution and government has run out of road, cannot be repaired, is too corrupted, is basically a puppet of the owners of our rigged economy that works against most of us and humanity's future for a quick buck, and we need a new constitution and nation based in punishing and limiting greed/sociopathy and rewarding cooperation, then I don't know what planet you're on.
Even IF we miraculously manage to keep squeaking in Neoliberals to stop the fascists, the Neoliberals agree with the fascists that massive economic disruption for the sake of OUR ONLY HABITAT isn't acceptable, which means this new climate will continue to worsen at an accelerating rate.
I'd rather not scapegoat vulnerable groups as we fry, which is why I'll keep showing up, but this is water pumps on the Titanic, the outcome of accepting this framework is still drowning, just at 2:48am instead of 2:42am.
That said, if you donât see the writing on the wall that our constitution and government has run out of road, cannot be repaired, is too corrupted, is basically a puppet of the owners of our rigged economy that works against most of us, and we need a new constitution and nation based in punishing and limiting greed/sociopathy and rewarding cooperation, then I donât know what planet youâre on.
You could have said that at any point in the last 200+ years, and it would have been just as true.
It's unbelievable to me that someone outside of China would honestly defend Xi JinPing's policy. I mean, look for the first Chinese expat in your country. He/she probably has some dark story about illegal secret cops trying to bring him/her back home because of a Winnie the poo post on Twitter.
No, no, you see, it's Both Sides Just As Bad, and the UN doesn't know what it's talking about when it details the horrendous details of the Uyghur Genocide. Besides, have you BEEN there, LIBERAL? What do you know? /s
Talk to a citizen of your country and they'll be even more candid.
Xiren Zhao went straight in on how even her dyed in the wool party loyalist grandfather still gets sketched by some of the shit he knows the CCP has gotten up to.
I know a chinese person who is still sort of brainwashed (Very patriotic, still very skeptical about a lot of the stuff the west says about China, etc) and even they dislike Xi Jingping
I had a Tankie yesterday tell me that earning capital is a feature of communism.
It honestly made my week.
Learning about Nazbols really helped make it clear.
Why wonât liberals just let me eat my theater beans?!
What on earth are theater beans?!
I was referencing a fake quote that did the rounds awhile back:
"'I spilled baked beans all over myself watching Cars 2 in theaters & a black teenager shouted 'this n***a eating beans' & everyone laughed. That's when I decided to become a Republican.' Donald Trump. People Magazine, 1998"
Wow, that zero upvote anonymous reddit comment sure is relevant to talk about.
For real. For all we know, the guy from the screenshot probably just got exhasperated on an online discussion and just wished for nuclear holocaust for the other person to shut up.
How many examples do you want? Or will no amount of evidence change your mind that this is something that happens, because you don't actually care, you just want to defend fascists?
Oh, I don't deny that it happens. I just don't base my beliefs around reacting to random internet weirdos, like the person in the comment seems to be doing, and as you seem to be doing with them, ironically enough.
What I do base my beliefs on is evidence. It's very funny to call this meme "evidence," it's literally just one random person on some random place getting mad and saying shit. I could literally go write a comment on reddit, like, "As a Biden voter, I love drowning puppies," downvote it, screenshot, and I'd have exactly as much "evidence" of what Biden voters believe as what you've presented.
Also, obviously the claim that I "defend fascists" is completely baseless and can be disregarded, because again, evidence.
People like to complain about horseshoe theory, but these kinds of situations happen so often! I wonder if it's something inherent to the authoritarian personality type â an inability to objectively examine one's own beliefs, maybe? Or inability to consider one might actually be wrong about something?
It actually is an observed phenomenon that Authoritarians exhibit a lot of behavior consistent with the Dark Triad of personality traits, (Narcissism, Machiavellianism, and Psychopathy)
It's also an observed phenomenon that they are all completely unable to be taken at their word when they try to express what they believe to others. People who rate low or moderate on the authoritarian scale tend to say it's best to be seen as not very authoritarian, but people who score high say it's best to be seen as moderate.
Even the most supposedly upstanding principled conservative inherently is lying about what they actually believe and making up being a middle of the road kind of political thinker because they know damn well they'd catch shit for what they actually believe.
And that's why Trump is their Messiah, he sells the promise of being able to finally forget their shame. It's why I keep saying that Trump campaigns on making white folks think they'll get to say the N-Word again, and on making their kids start coming to Thanksgiving again after they went NC for how obvious it is what they wanna be saying about the crime reports when the 6PM news comes on, yes even if the shown accused aren't black.
A desire to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions. The same desire that makes them worship strongmen and authoritarian regimes, and why everything that happens is the fault of some conspiracy.
