Joe Rogan - suggestions to switch my sibling to better media
Joe Rogan - suggestions to switch my sibling to better media
My 27 yr old sibling is a hard core follower of Joe Rogan 💩
What are some progressive channels/people/content that I could have my sibling start watching instead?
Preferably something that has a similar flavor - example: male host, muscular, easy to digest. I think that will make the transition easier.
My personal preferences are Seth Meyers and John Oliver, but Last Week Tonight (John Oliver) is even a heavy watch for me sometimes!
[No Andrew Hubbard. He’s another fake.]
Thank you!
Behind the Bastards
Seconding this rec, seems like a good fit
The Weeds and The Gray Area are also decedent topic driven interviews. Except generally with actual experts and well researched interviewers.
In the same CoolZone Media vein, Hood Politics might fit the bill as well.
I finally gave this a shot and I'm really enjoying it. I just finished the release of his deep dive on Kissinger. I left a comment in this thread and only excluded BtB because I saw that you had already recommended it. I'll say here that there are related entries that are also good, like Behind the Police and Assault on America, but those are like limited miniseries. I think every American should listen to Behind the Police to understand the history of policing in America and see how straight of a line there really is to draw between their start as slave catchers to what they are now.
Preferably something that has a similar flavor - example: male host, muscular, easy to digest. I think that will make the transition easier.
You don't think much of your sibling do you?
I mean if they listen to Joe Rogan, they don't seem to think much of themselves either tbh. That counts as self-harm.
Would you?
Depends on whether one wants to practice love or control I guess. Much easier to maintain efforts to control another person when you can convince yourself they’re contemptible.
Not to mention the entire premise of the post being, essentially, "I don't approve of the entertainment my sibling chooses to consume. Please make suggestions for me as to other entertainment that I can then use to regulate said adult sibling, removing their entertainment that I don't like and forcing them to consume something I find more acceptable."
Like...I think Rogan's whole thing is stupid and most I've talked to who like his stuff are similarly ridiculous...but to go from that to full out "I plan to take it away from them and force them to do something I find more acceptable" is really quite a leap.
If he's a "hard follower" of Joe Rogan than he likely won't be interested in other content. Rogan is a fool, but that's why people find him appealing. Content that is insightful and educational is the opposite of the junk food of Rogan.
Maybe instead, when Rogan says something like "Bro did you know like the pineal gland of the chimpanzee produces anti-covid hormones? This is just what I've heard. Look it up. By the way did you see the tree growing in my toilet?" You can help your sibling by teaching them ways to think, reason, and critically evaluate the BS that freely flows from the Roganverse.
Hey be careful when you are blatantly misquoting Joe Rogan to benefit your own exaggerations.
He clearly says that the pineal gland produces DMT. And you know how much Joe Rogan loves DMT.
when Rogan says something like "Bro did you know like the pineal gland of the chimpanzee produces anti-covid hormones? This is just what I've heard. Look it up. By the way did you see the tree growing in my toilet?"
I’m a fan of Joe Rogan and I gotta say, I don’t think he says things like this. And I don’t think you’ve ever listened to Joe Rogan, if you think he does.
Doesn’t that bother you even just a little bit, that you form strong opinions about things with no direct knowledge of them?
Make him watch early Joe Rogan content. Back when he actually had an open mind and interesting guests.
Back when he used to be curious about his guests.
I just listened to about 50% of his last episode with Tulsi Gabbard. You know, the Presidential candidate? The whole episode, the entire thing at least up to the 1:45 mark where I gave up, was Joe ranting about shit and Tulsi saying “yeah”.
The Hasan Abi Broadcast
Some More News on YouTube is really great. They also do a weekly ~hour long podcast called Even More News, but I think that's better as an extension of the core showdy.
There's also Internet Comment Etiquette with Erik on YouTube. It's shorter and seems at a glance to be more right wing, but he's being ironic. That might sway him more gently. Also shout-out for being the only YouTuber who does ad reads that I'll actually sit through. Sponsors, throw your money at him, he has my fucking eyeballs.
For something more dry but still short, Beau of the Fifth Column just doesn't miss.
What great recommendations!
Some More News is a bit long to start him off I think, but Internet Comment Etiquette has the perfect vulgarity and format. I think it will catch his attention and make him actually watch some.
Beau of the Fifth Column has an incredible beard and background. It really hits the right vibe too! Thank you!
This comes off a little negative but totally get the desire to show a sibling something different,as someone who uses to listen to rogan regularly...
Find whatever guests he liked and nail down what it is he's actually interested in. For me it was history and comedy.
History of Rome with Mike Duncan then lead to youtubers like sandrhomanhistory and the operations room. If he's into more military and masculine show him forgotten weapons also on YouTube.
If you go as left mainstream as John Oliver it's gonna be an uphill battle. Even though I more than likely agree with what he would say have 0 desire to watch it.
Comedy wise the early cumtown episodes are goofy classics.
What I love about Mike Duncan is that you can hear him radicalizing in real time during the Revolutions podcast. By the time he reached the Haitian Revolution he’s done with everyone’s shit.
Before COVID Rogan's show was fantastic. As soon as the end of 2019 ramped up it was all down hill from there.
He went full Alex Jones.
Yeah it’s easy to hate Joe Rogan now but there’s a reason why he was the #1 most downloaded podcast for years. Huge range of guests and Joe’s, “Jack of all trades master of absolutely nothing besides MMA” knowledge base of questions got some good stories out of people.
He went full meth addict. All he does is talk at his guests. He doesn’t listen any more he just rants at them.
Or he has a comedian on, and they spend two hours mentioning names from back in the day.
I've never listened to Rogan*, but I think https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts does an excellent job of talking about current news and science items in an easily digestible format that mostly avoids bullshit while probably filling the same gee-whiz niche that people expect from Rogan? It's a panel, so not a single muscular male host, but I think if your sibling is pursuing Rogan because they think it's helping expose them to new interesting ideas, SGU is a vastly superior route to that end.
*I actually think my only Rogan exposure has been the SGU talking about how he more or less just believes the last thing anyone told him, whatever that might be, which seems... less good?
Your preference is your preference, but SG1 and SGA are far better than SGU in my opinion.
I assume this is a Stargate thing and that there aren't actually that many Skeptical Guide podcasts out there.
I haven't got any dog in the Stargate fight, I've seen the original movie (good) and watched the Richard Dean Anderson TV series (better than the movie) for a while before it just fell off my radar? I'll take your word for it that Stargate Universe is the lesser of the Stargate properties.
SGU in my comment obviously is referring to the Skeptics Guide to the Universe aka, the linked podcast.
Beau of the fifth column on YouTube is just for this he tries to reach people at that level and doesn't talk down to them and is great on foreign policy concepts.
J Aubrey is a very entertaining long format YTer that explains many of the internet's worst villains. His take down of grifters don't target Joe himself, but help inoculate people from the "natural" hierarchies that dominate conservative thought.
Good God, he has some of the most cringey clickbait thumbnails I've ever seen.
And just watching the first 5 minutes of the Steven Crowder episode, he's for sure not someone the Joe Rogan crowd would be interested in watching.
most cringey clickbait thumbnails I've ever seen.
My man, is this the first YT thumbnail you've ever seen?
he's for sure not someone the Joe Rogan crowd would be interested in watching.
Why, because popular YT formats are something the millions of normie Joe Rogan viewers all despise? I don't know man, you do you. But popular formats by definition are something the masses are comfortable with.
I read it here before but the best way is deconstructing a specific case of the person in question choosing. The problem is that replacing one influencer with another one won't change the understanding issue of misplaced trust in media/people.
I think that these things should be voluntary by the way. Both for success chances and pure respect for your sibling.
Ask him if they would be interested. Then make them choose an episode. Prepare yourself. Ask them to prepare a little document in which they express their understanding and lesson that they learned from the episode. Ask them if they are willing to investigate how true these things are. Look for evidence together or alone. When done, get together and talk about the truthfulness of the ideas.
Alternatively ask yourself if they have some kind of expertise in something and look if there is a Joe Rogan episode about and suggest them to watch it. The deconstruction would happen automatically. You can help by ask them questions about it. Having to vocalize criticism towards something is an amazing reflection exercise.
I'm tempted to voice my opinion about the question itself but I'll resist the urge and give you the correct answer instead.
Chris Williamson, the podcast is named Modern Wisdom. Perhaps you can ease him into it by recommending the episode where he was a quest on Joe's show.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find someone progressive enough for lemmy to like that will also be interesting to a Joe Rogan fan. I would recommend Destiny though. I wouldn't say he's like Joe Rogan, but he frequently does debates with commentators of all politcal positions including those with similar beliefs to Joe. He has an aggressive, confrontational style that would be your best bet at trying to demonstrate the weaknesses of the views Joe would advocate for.
If you're not familiar with his views, Destiny could probably be described as a left-leaning liberal institutionalist moderate. His community can attract a variety of viewpoints and is relatively accepting of criticism for Destiny so your brother would have an easier time interacting with them than someone like Hasan.
It's nice you are trying to look out for your brother like this. Good luck!
You recommended a right wing pedophile... he said left wing content not borderline nazi propaganda
It's interesting that he seems to get a lot of accusations of being far-right by the far-left and far-left by the far-right. I don't know if there was some controversy I missed that inspired the pedophile comment, but calling him a borderline nazi is frankly ridiculous.
Here's the introduction to his wikipedia page for anyone curious:
Steven Kenneth Bonnell II (born December 12, 1988), known online as Destiny, is an American live-streamer and political commentator. He was among the first people to stream video games online full-time and received attention as a pioneer of the industry.[4] Since 2016, he has garnered further attention for streaming political debates with other online personalities, in which he advocates for progressivism and liberal politics.[5][6] The New York Times has described Bonnell as a liberal,[2] while Bonnell has described himself as "a very big social democrat".[6]
Modern Wisdom
Edit: Going through all the suggestions now - thank you! I hadn’t heard of these before. I appreciate it!
Would Lex Fridman fit the bill? He runs in the same circle as Joe Rogan with similar guests, but generally just let's his guests speak instead of actively pushing nonsense, and especially not with the degree of confidence that Rogan does while being wrong. It'll still require you to listen critically, but that might be easier if you don't have someone actively pushing you in one direction.
Tom Segura
Destiny
The same Destiny that has alienated his personal relationships with everyone who's ever cared about him?
The same Destiny threw a debate with shithead Ben Shapiro because he wanted to get invited back?
At least Joe Rogan believes the shit he shovels, Destiny is a pure grifter searching for more and more fame.
Preferably something that has a similar flavor - example: male host, muscular, easy to digest. I think that will make the transition easier
Tell me you think your brother is superficial without saying you think he is superficial...
Agreed, my sibling is superficial. They see muscular males as authority figures (for learned reasons I won’t get into) which is a problem when Rogan (+guests) is spouting nonsense.
That’s why I’m trying to find similar content that they’ll enjoy, and help break old habits. They are capable of growth and improvement.
Funny that you want a muscular male host, 😅
Currently my most favourite podcast is Andrew Huberman's, which would probably fit the muscular male criteria.
It's also very progressive in the sense that it is basically about science-based protocols to become a healthier human being both physically and mentally.
I strongly recommend listening on YouTube with sponsorblock if possible.
So far, the only truly bad episode was the one with Zuckerberg (that I have found) because, you know, there is really not much to learn from him, specially considering the topics of the podcast.
Oh, I just saw your comment about him, 😅, always interested in seeing evidence on his fakeness.
Huberman has been a guest on Rogan's podcast and seems to be in the same circles with overlapping guests and ideas. He also peddles pseudoscience and random supplements, so I'm not sure this helps OP's sibling escape the misinformation sphere.
There's also a pretty alarming piece in NY magazine (paywalled) that goes into how much he lies in his personal life to build a narrative that seems to align with the agenda he pushes on his show.
So now everyone that has been on Joe Rogan is a right wing fascist? Cause I couldn't imagine Neil deGrasse Tysson like that.
In terms of the pseudoscience and supplements... It clearly shows people don't watch his stuff. I am SURE it's not perfect, but most of it is clearly WELL referenced on the show description, and anything that hasn't been officially approved he states that clearly with CONSTANT warnings to PLEASE CONSULT A PROFESSIONAL.
I hate Joe Rogan. I hate fascist propaganda. Yes, Huberman makes money with his podcast, all podcasts are business, all big ones, at least.
All the claims about his personal life seem to me like journalists trying to come up with vector attacks to a famous figure for clicks, just like it happens with any other celebrity.
Yeah, he may be a terrible boyfriend, but Einstein married his cousin and Oppenheimer was a cheater and we live in this amazing (or horrible) world thanks to them.
Huberman just got outed as a big time aerial cheater and quasi bogus scientist just FYI. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html
What exactly is the problem with the JRE?
The rabid fascism, I imagine.
Adding to what others have said, Rogan often has, at best, a surface level understanding of the topics covered on his show. His guests often have an air of credibility because of their credentials, even when their views are often seen as outliers or plain wrong in their fields of expertise. Because Joe often doesn’t know enough to press them on questionable or disingenuous statements, his many many listeners are led to believe there’s something to the bullshit they’re hearing.
Huberman does something similar, but is worse because he often knows better.
He's an enabler of the far right and that makes him far right too, no matter how many times he claims to be a "centrist" or something.
Everybody downvoting you for trying to understand something.
Could they have just not upvoted you and moved along? Yes, but no asking questions is something that needs to be suppressed.
Trees of green