Israel’s Brutality Is Increasing—and So Is Its Denialism

TIL, why my comments get downvoted. At this point, I'm not even mad.

Meanwhile 1 billion Arabs in the world just shit post "genocide!" all day

Ukraine being clearly having the moral high ground as a sovereign state defending itself, yes, expect to be downvoted for trying to contract what we all see with our own eyes.

…why would you be against Ukraine, exactly?

You can still say there is rampant corruption in ukraine. They have embezzeled billions in aid.

But it all seems miniscule in front of the existential crisi they are in.

Depends on the instance.

I’m not excusing any of their actions, because I’m genuinely horrified by Israel’s conduct, but the IDF is a conscripted military force. Every Israeli, excluding some ultra-orthodox extremists who get a controversial religious exemption, is required to serve a certain amount of time in the military after they turn 18. There are alternative public service options for conscientious objectors, but most 18 year olds end up with a rifle in their hand. That’s pretty fucked up if you ask me.

That means the majority of the soldiers perpetrating these atrocities are basically children themselves. They didn’t join so they could do a genocide, they joined because they had to, and are doing a genocide. I’m sure some of them are sick fuckers who enjoy it, but most are probably just following despicable, immoral, unforgivable orders from superiors. That’s not a justification, just an unfortunate likelihood.

That said, yes, it does seem like they’ve dropped the pretense.

I'm pretty sure that in Israel, joining the military is not a choice.

Since years I see Israeli saying 'we have to eliminate the vipers nest ", meaning kill their babies and women, and bombing all health infrastructure so that women having babies dies more often

Yeah I heard many of the like eating babies as well. Hamas is there just as an excuse but in reality they are the good guys who just like drinking tea.

This is not war. It's just mass murder. If this was war, the conservatives would be targeting at least some combatants. The IDF intentionally targets civilians and aid workers. This is not what war is. This is what genocide is.

No it isn't. What's disgusting is you covering for war crimes.

Not ironic. Direct continuity; Israeli precursors helped with the holocaust. More tried, but hitler, for the first and last time in his life, was the least unreasonable dipshit in the room and told them no.

I have a friend who is Jewish and since 10+ years she shares jokes telling Palestinians are bombers and robbers, and thar Jews are inventors, or telling me that Palestinians don't even exist. When I counter argue her she gets pissed and says she accepts no moral lessons from anyone.

That's sad for me, because I only know 4 Jewish person: 2 were very nice but I lost contact, and the 2 others are so belligerent destroy the good image I have of Jewish people.

On the other side, I know some 20 Palestinians and much more Arabs, and all of them except one never said anything bad against Jewish (but of course they don't approve when Israel kills people).

When my Jewish friend tell me that Arabs hate Jews and I provide her this statistics she gets crazy mad again.

people will

Those aren't people. Thinking of them as people is going to make stopping the genocide harder than it has to be, and will cost human lives.

Would you like to see footage of it? I don't have the energy but it doesn't take long to find direct evidence of this happening, numerous times for years. The IDF purposely kills children. In one documented instance they even tied a Palestinian child to the hood of their vehicle as a shield. It sounds comically absurd and evil but this is what we know of.

Then why do they all post videos of them doing kitschy shit while shooting children on all their social media feeds?

Do you admit that if it was real, the correct course of action would be to turn every inch of ground the Palestinians don't want preserved to fucking glass, and kill any scum that run for the border? To just bomb until nothing moves, then send in crews to clean up anything hiding underground?

That if it was real, and they felt like they were losing, one could expect they would shift resources away from defense to try and finish the extermination, and feel noble about it?

I saw this article and thought of this conversation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

Doctors perform CPR on child with gunshot wound to the head(GRAPHIC WARNING)

I was in a gas station around UNC Chapel Hill of all places standing in line behind a couple younger guys who were saying insane things about how Palestine’s not a real state, they’re just migrant squatters and seemed to mock anyone hurt or killed that opposed Israel. They reminded me of ‘Murican’s talking about how strong and right America is, but from the Jewish perspective with Israel in its stead.

It’s hard to describe how sickening it was to hear. And they’re like, 20.

I upvote for visibility. The more awareness, the more pressure from public opinion.

Indeed every single previous American president would have already stopped israeli by now. Genocide Joe is by far biggest Zionist president in American history

There were three times in the past that israel violated human rights so hard that American presidents threatened arms embargoes or threatened to cut off israeli loan guarantees. The most recent one is George Bush.

Although Israel and its supporters went into a frenzy, with one Israeli cabinet minister calling the U.S. president an “antisemite” and a “liar,” Bush Sr. prevailed. On Oct. 2, 1991, the U.S. Senate formally acceded to Bush’s request for a 120-day postponement. Furthermore, because of Shamir’s determination to expand settlements, the loans were not released until well beyond the postponement period, after the election of a more moderate Israeli government led by Yitzhak Rabin.

When I spoke to him in 2003, Baker told me, “We said to Rabin, ‘we’ll release the $10 billion if you agree to substantially restrict settlement activity,’ and he did.”

In these cases israel did far less human rights violation than the full scale Genocide they are committing right now. Genocide Joe is exceptional in his support to let israel kill every single Palestinian.