Privacy @lemmy.ml JJLinux @lemmy.ml 4mo ago

In case you want something to send to your humans that say "I have nothing to hide" when you mention privacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR7D6Fx0fTQ

Not 100% in agreement with some of her videos, but I believe this one is spot on, and probably easier to understand by regular folk.

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I agree that the "I have nothing to hide" argument is wrong, but could you not use the word normies? I think when people who visit this community see stuff like that it seems kinda gatekeepy even if that isn't the intent.
- You're right, I don't do it with that intention, changed.
Saying you have nothing to fear, if you have nothing to hide is the equivlent. of saying i dont need the freedom of speach beacause i have nothing to say.

I belive the quote is from cory doctrow. BASED person
- I always liked his differentiation between private and secret. Something along the lines of if you have kids it’s not a secret that you have sex, but it is private.
This is just under 12 minutes long. Tldw. Can someone explain the argument in maybe 1 paragraph? I watched a minute of the video and got bored. I can't see sending it to anyone. A 1 minute version would be great.
- The general take away is "Surveillance is oppression and it is the responsibility of the people to stand up against oppression".
  
  A few other quotes I like that fit the theme.
  
  "People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people."
  
  — V (V for Vendetta)
  
  "Without privacy, you can't have anything for yourself. Saying you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."
  
  — Edward Snowden
  
  Thanks for the summary. To respond to OP, no I don’t think this is the best explanation. The people who usually say they don’t care about privacy because they have nothing to hide are people who don’t care about surveillance either, so that doesn’t exactly change their minds.
  
  The best way to make them understand is to provide examples that may affect them directly. And I’m not talking about the “show me your phone” or “leave your bathroom door open” response, because that’s not a good example of mass surveillance that we are trying to explain to them. It’s hard to find the best comparison, but one example is home cameras and baby monitors. Those things are so insecure that anyone can access them over the internet. So we ask them, are you fine that any rando on the internet can tap your living room camera and watch you even though you’re just watching tv and not really doing anything private?
- anyone down voting this, just remember that this is what your mom or friend will say when you send this to them.
- A problem I often see is with profiling from your data, imagine in a matter of three months you searched in google "remedies for headaches", "what causes stomach pains", "blood in feces", your profile might get a flag warning possible colon cancer, now the next year your health insurance rises to double, because of the possibility of you developing cancer.
  
  This is just a single cenario where they collect info about you and profile you and then sell the data to insurance companies, insurance pays big time because this info is valuable to them. How do you feel about this and what other cenarios can you imagine where your profile could fuck you up?
- You need to watch it. You can commit 12 minutes of your time to understand the very real threats to your liberty. You would spend those 12 minutes just flipping through shit posts anyways.
  
  I don't need to hear it myself since I think I'm already privacy conscious. The suggestion was that I forward the link to other people, but it's really too long for that. Thus the request for a written or at least shorter version.
- Thx for the tldw
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://www.piped.video/watch?v=eR7D6Fx0fTQ

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
So you want me to visit one of the greatest surveillance capitalist and privacy abusers video website to get tips on how to help people understand why privacy is important? Yah, about that. No.
- You don't like the Piped bot?
  
  Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  
  https://www.piped.video/watch?v=eR7D6Fx0fTQ
  
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
- Wow, grouchy indeed. If you don't already use a YouTube front-end you only have yourself to blame. Any YouTube link I click redirects to my preferred front-end (FreeTube via invidious). I haven't given YouTube a single bit of traffic and still get to watch any video I want. It takes 5 minutes to set it all up at the most.
- yt-dlp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR7D6Fx0fTQ on public WiFi or using a VPN then
- Just make a bot to randomly click on everything to poison the algorithm.
  
  Come to think of it, make some VM's spin up each with a different identity to monkey wrench it all.
She lost me when she showed bitcoin as an example of an unfairly criticized obfuscation tool.
- Yeah, and if you go through her videos, while she does have some very good points and suggestions, you can tell she's still somewhat biased towards some unsightly stuff.
Everyone needs to watch this video, share it, and then watch it again.

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