No one that I know of from the West has tried for compromise in Palestine since the 1990s. The sign should say "We stand with Israel! Here's some weapons." Biden putting sanctions on like 4 people somehow counts as this revolutionary sign of progress, and they're still in the middle of blowing up the last of the medical facilities.
I love when people claiming to be communists defend the hyper capitalist modern Russia. I have my criticisms of the ussr, but it’s dead and buried and Russia is as much the Russian Soviet as the Russian Soviet was Czarist Russia.
Tankies don't have anyone they can root for that's coherently communist or socialist anyways. China isn't really, Russia is just an oligopoly with one guy on top for life (if you substitute land ownership with ownership of sectors of the economy then Russia looks a lot like a feudal monarchy).
Their one immutable belief is the "US bad". That's it. That's their speed of light. Everything else must twist to maintain that position. If Ukraine elected a pro-western leader, it MUST be a CIA coup. They couldn't have possibly chosen that for themselves because "US bad". If Russia starts an offensive war of conquest it can't just be their fault, they must have been provoked.
Before Russia invaded Ukraine they could pretend like only evil capitalist countries invade others. The invasion broke them since they have to someone maintain that position while also justifying the invasion , again, because US bad. This is really all they have now.
So, here's how US bad: the US for several years has been provoking Russia by inviting Ukraine into NATO with no actual intent on letting them in. We've used them to offload massive stockpiles of old military equipment and secured all rebuilding of Ukraine to US companies. As soon as the Ukrainians start advancing, the US begins to fail on its commitments.
It's possible to center ones ideals around the US being bad while also believing that Russia is bad.
That shit kills me. I was reading something on hexbear about some recent anti-gay stuff in Russia. It was all about critical support, and not just Russia. They also talked about critical support for Nigeria, despite them having the death penalty for gay people, because they're "anti-imperialist."
Why doesn't it go the other way? Why can't you give "critical support" to countries making strides in human rights while criticizing their economic policy?
To me, their priorities seem pretty fucked up. Between exploitative economic policy and killing or imprisoning people for existing as themselves, I know which one I'm going to be "critical" of and which one will cause me to refuse support for a country in any way.
Being anti-imperialist is usually the determining factor of tankie (“critical”) support. Being against the US is apparently how you are anti-imperialist, so if you decide to conquer an American ally to grow an empire, you are apparently anti-imperialist. I guess that’s where you “critically” support them by cheering.
In Germany the Left has been divided into Antiimps (Antiimperialists) and Antideutsche (Antigermans) since the 90s. Antiimps being pro Palestine, Anti-USA, western Imperialism, NATO etc.. and Antideutsche being pro Israel, pro USA and against a united (or any kind of) Germany.
Of course those positions developed over the years, but they still explain where and how those 'new' perspectives came to be. Worth to read into it.
It's hard to avoid a "no true scottsman" with the current state of bots and propaganda accounts.
But as far as I can tell, there are hardly any lefties, or even tankies, who unironically support Russia or even a middle ground position. Despite their hate of the west, Russia is clearly the greatest evil here.
Most of the middle ground positions I see come from fox news.
Maybe. But previously when I engaged with people making this same claim, when they provided their evidence (a link to a hexbear post) and I actually spent the effort to verify it, it was trivially clear that their evidence was wrong, and when I showed that to them, they blew up and blocked me from the entire community (they were a mod).
Since then I've been pretty skeptical of people making this claim.
But as far as I can tell, there are hardly any lefties, or even tankies, who unironically support Putin or even a middle ground position. Despite their hate of the west, Putin is clearly the greatest evil here.
But as far as I can tell, there are hardly any lefties, or even tankies, who unironically support Russia or even a middle ground position. Despite their hate of the west, Russia is clearly the greatest evil here.
Unfortunately, I can attest to a great many tankies who unironically support Russia or a 'middle ground' position. I could post examples all day long and not run out. At least, not run out of examples. I'd run out of will to live pretty quickly.
The last time someone said that to me, they sent me a post from hexbear that was clearly a joke, and when I showed them where it said it was a joke, they blocked me.
I think any argument for peace and negotiations and compromise with Russia is met with overwhelming downvotes. Worse on reddit, pacifism is seen only in controversial now. The above meme is clearly pro-war propaganda too, as to prevent any rational discussion. It's total victory or death.
If you're a pacifist, you're treated as a communist-nazi.
If you're a pacifist, you're treated as a communist-nazi.
If you're advocating that Ukraine should lay down its arms before clear security guarantees are in place, or at the loss of its territory you may as well be a "communist-nazi".
The historical experience of the USSR was a brainrot on communists. Having a bias for Soviet nationalism is already bad enough, but imagine letting that evolve into Russian nationalism. Defend the same right of self-determination for Ukraine you would have defended for Vietnam 60 years ago.
Vietnam mostly didn't want to be occupied by a foreign army. They resisted the occupation by Japan after WWII and when that war ended and the Japanese left they liked not being ruled over by foreigners.
But then when France got a military together they returned to Vietnam to resume where they left off with the colonialism thing they did before the war.
The Vietnamese didn't like that. They asked for US support in resisting French colonialism, because the US resisted British colonialism in the past. US wasn't going to go against France, interests in Europe took priority over interests in Asia.
So Vietnam needed an outside backer. So who do they go to.
Remember that the last foreign power Vietnam has fought against was not the US. They had a war in Cambodia and a war with China after the US left. I'm not an expert on Vietnam, but there's a whole lot more going on there than the US-Vietnam war and the propaganda around communist domino theory would have you to believe. Yeah they invaded Cambodia, but that was because Pol Pot was an insane psychopath. After the Khmer Rouge was defeated they left. Turns out Vietnam wasn't really all about spreading their version of their communist ideal, they kinda just did't want people from elsewhere telling them how to run things. Not Japan, not France, not the US, and no not even China.
The analogy between Vietnam and Ukraine is an apt one. A lot of people going around talking about domino theories and spheres of influence and talking like you're stupid if you don't understand the things coming from the brilliant mind of Henry Kissinger. Trying to make it fit into an ideological framework. It seems the people of Vietnam were too "stupid" to understand the brilliant analysis coming from people elsewhere. Ukrainians seem like they may be the same kind of "stupid" as the Vietnamese were. While everyone else is talking ideology and spheres of influence, they just go on shooting at foreign invaders. But in the end, who are the ones being stupid? The Vietnamese didn't seem very stupid from my perspective and the Ukrainians don't seem stupid either. Simple non-ideological motives are way more powerful than ideological motives.
The sad truth is how brained washed and suppressed the people are in Russia. Things could be much better if that was not the case.
Any idea on how to let them free?
As a Ukraine supporter since the beginning, it's Biden and congress who deserve criticism. They should have given Ukraine all the tools to win. They also should have protected Ukrainian airspace and her coast along the Black Sea. With full support, I think Ukraine had good shot of expelling the Russian invaders but that window is over. US leaders are now saying it was about hurting Russia, it wasn't about Ukraine winning. That tells me meaningful US support is over.
The West is a failing system unable to reverse it's inequities. It's supporters can only attack critics for pointing out the warning signs. What a sad ass meme.
Yeah, it turns out when a small group of people own all the grain and cattle for an entire country, they'll probably demand more and more money until you can't afford to feed people anymore. Then, if you try to cease the grain and cattle to give to the people, the few rich farm owners will probably burn all the grain and slaughter all the cattle because if they can't make a profit, then people should starve. Rough times.
It should make sense for Russian communist to make this compromise no? Destroying the Ukrainian state and having it assimilate to theirs should be harking back to the old USSR days.
The compromise: Russia gets international recognition of its claims on Crimea and the Dombas, Ukraine get admitted into NATO and enough nukes to glass Moscow should Russia try to take 1 cm more of Ukrainian soil.
Congratulations Putin, you killed 300000 of your own people for a bunch of mined farms and a warm water port that gets blocked by Turkey the second war is declared - and you are too big a coward to go up against any nuclear country, so I guess go pick on Geogia?
Any compromise that gives Russia even an inch of ukranian soil should be deemed unacceptable. Fucking armchair geopolitical experts trading off a sovereign nation's territory.
There are cases when cession of territory should be considered as a means of obtaining a lasting peace.
1/6th of the country to an aggressor state trying to commit genocide that has done this twice before and gone back on its word both times is, obviously, not a reasonable option.
I've asked this a few different times, and if you're willing to answer, you'd be the first. How many people died to these death squads, in what year(s)?
I suspect a particular reason for the unwillingness to give a precise answer, but let's see what you say.
No answer because I was busy with other shit lol. It's not terribly hard to find either, here is a good overview of ukrainian fascism. CW for dead bodies, gruesome heartbreaking stuff.