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When democrats lose: "We could've had a utopia if you had simply voted for us!"
When democrats win: crickets
When democrats lose: āWe couldāve had a utopia if you had simply voted for us!ā
"We could have averted fascism" is "utopia" now?
Funny, but considering that you repeatedly insisted that you didn't give a fuck how many Americans and Palestinians have to die to satisfy your urge for political purity in the run-up to the election, unsurprising.
Like how biden winning in 2020 averted fascism? Also, don't make things up about me, I did not insist any such thing.
Like how biden winning in 2020 averted fascism?
Yes, if you will remember, we were not under a fascist regime in 2020-2024. I understand that's a hard thing for bougie middle-class kids to understand, but some of us actually have to deal with the government in our day-to-day lives.
Also, donāt make things up about me, I did not insist any such thing.
Interesting how both republicans and democrats call each other fascists. Seems like everyone hates fascism!
But of course you must be right, america surely paused all of their fascist activity from 2020 to 2024. Biden is so stronk what would we do without him holding back the fascist flood?
Prepare yourself for a shock- the Nazis called themselves socialists and the North Koreans call their country a democratic republic.
Sometimes some people use words properly and sometimes other groups of people use those words improperly for propaganda reasons.
But I'm sure that can't possibly be the case here. It's not like you can legitimately call an incoming administration literally working out the details in putting up concentration camps right now fascist. Not one where the incumbent president is literally promising to be a dictator.
I just don't see the fascism connection there, do you?
Or maybe things aren't black and white like that, and labelling things as fascist isnt very useful right now.
Both parties do horribly awful stuff to both american citizens and people from around the world.
Also trump didnt takeover, he won an election. Trump represents america whether you like it or not. Its funny how people outside america aren't nearly as surprised he won.
Hitler won his election too. And twice as well. I'm not sure why that makes it okay or Trump not a fascist.
No he didnt, he lost and was later appointed chancellor by the winner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1932_German_federal_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1932_German_federal_election
Hitler was appointed Chancellor in 1933.
He then won yet another election that same year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election
...labelling things as fascist isnt very useful right now
What do you think "fascism" is? Like, this line of argument worked ten years ago because people didn't know what the fuck they were looking at, but now? NOW?!
Not everyone jumps to conclusions as quickly as you, its not a race do see who can declare something fascist as prematurely as possible.
Maybe if y'all could connect the dots better more democrats would have voted.
Dude, it's been 25 years of fascist creep in the US government. How much longer do you want to wait before "Jump[ing] to conclusions"?
Jumping to conclusions is about claiming things are or will happen without reason. You could be right and jump to a conclusion at the same time.
I will say this election didnt change who America is as a country though.
But of course you must be right, america surely paused all of their fascist activity from 2020 to 2024. Biden is so stronk what would we do without him holding back the fascist flood?
"Not electing a fascist stops fascism from being elected" may be a shocking revelation to you, but I assure you, most people understand this. It could have been a potato that was elected, so long as it wasn't a fascist potato.
Democracy is not a state of existence, its a process that needs to be constantly maintained, and requires eternal vigilance.
You do know 'averted' doesn't mean 'avoided happening forever until the sun engulfs the Earth' right?
Perhaps your standards are low, but I don't count keeping the seat warm for one presidential term as averting anything. Biden could've picked an AG that actually pursued prosecution of Trump, but instead he put in milquetoast Garland who sat with his thumbs up his ass the entire time.
Then you don't know what 'averting' means. When you avert your eyes, do you look away and not look back again for an hour?
My bad, I thought the goal was to fight fascism, not merely put a short pause on it. I suppose taking a one minute break between eating shit is better than continually eating shit, but I'd rather not be eating shit.
And yet, curiously, you continuously argue for the equivalence of eating shit and any amount of time spent not eating shit.
How am I doing that by arguing we should be putting pressure on democrats (our only seemingly pliable party in this two-party system) to actually fight fascism?
How am I doing that
This you?
Youāre making a pointless argument. Things can always get worse. Name anything that could be done and Iāll tell you how it could be made worse. All youāre doing is distracting from the fact that both democrats and republicans are supporting a genocide and itās not going to stop until Palestine does not exist anymore. The end result is the fucking same and youāre here arguing over pointless technicalities as if they mean anything. Get a clue.
How do you measure this āspeed upā? What you consider a speed up couldāve simply been the progression of the campaign which wouldāve occurred under democrats as well. Either way the end result is the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people. Do you think starving them all to death is better than bombing them all to death just because itās slower?
When democrats win:
crickets"We didn't win enough so I'm afraid our hands are tied."Funny thing is they never win enough. Even when they win a majority, magically enough members switch sides to cancel any possibility of progress. It's like a rigged carnival game, but you think that if we simply adjusted our aim we could certainly get the ball in the hole. It's crafted to look like you have a chance when you really don't.
I always took crickets coming out of the political arena to be a positive. I want my politicians to shut the fuck up and govern, thank you very much.
I wish they would govern, but all they do is the bidding of lobbyists and then loudly proclaim that they are defending democracy or freedom or whatever.
That makes no sense. Government changes your life, so why keep it secret?