Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign
Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign
A wartime opinion poll among Palestinians shows a rise in support for Hamas, even in the devastated Gaza Strip.
The findings by a Palestinian pollster signal more difficulties ahead for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s stated goal of ending Hamas’ military and governing capabilities.
Washington has called for the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority, currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to statehood. U.S. officials have said the PA must be revitalized, without letting on whether this would mean leadership changes.
The PA administers pockets of the Israeli-occupied West Bank and has governed Gaza until a takeover by Hamas militants in 2007. The Palestinians have not held elections since 2006 when Hamas won a parliamentary majority.
And Bush saw a huge surge of support after 9/11, even though he was widely unpopular leading up to it and nothing about it objectively reflected well on him. It’s a knee-jerk reaction to being attacked by an outside force.
Or it may have something to do with the fact that Hamas have actually proven willing to actually do something about the genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state threatening them with extinction - unlike the Israeli puppets that run the Palestinian Authority.
If Israel actually wanted to rid the area of Hamas, I think humanitarian aid and taking care of the people might have been more persuasive than bombing their families out of existence.
That's a great plan once the hostages have been released.
Agreed. At the very least they could have moved the women and children to safety.
Note: I have nothing against men, and I'm not calling the women weak. I'd say ALL civilians to be inclusive, but I think they could argue that Hamas militants were hiding amongst them (and seperating kids from all their family isn't... ideal)
Israel is playing on easy fucking mode here, and they're choosing not to take advantage of it. High-density areas are hell to fight through in a counter-insurgency scenario, but they're ideal for the whole 'winning hearts and minds' thing that has been core to counter-insurgency operations since the British in the fucking 1950s.
Israel chooses not to take advantage. Because they want the insurgency.
but they’re ideal for the whole ‘winning hearts and minds’ thing that has been core to counter-insurgency operations
Lol!
Yeah... no. "Hearts and minds" shitfuckery is propaganda for your own side, Clyde. That is all it has ever been.
The keys to winning at colonialist warfare - oops, I mean t to say "counter-insurgency" - is still the same as it has ever been... destroy the means of existence of the population the resistance exists within. Ie, what the Brits did in South Africa and Malaya (and others), what the US did in the continental US and what the US tried (and failed) to do in Vietnam.
Stop being naive.
Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.
Jesus Christ.
It's relative. If you've seen people around you being abused you become a little desensitized to what 'abuse' is. If abuse is normal every day living for one person, and not for another; the later sees it as abuse and the former sees it as another normal day.
Put yourself in the shoes of a Gaza resident anytime in the last 50+ years and consider yourself lucky that your reality allows you to be able to identify an atrocity when you see one.
Consider the reality these people have experienced for generations before leveling judgement on their opinions.
The entire situation is nauseating. I understand that Israel is a U.S. ally and that sometimes supporting allies means making decisions against better judgement, but... I would rather the U.S. wasn't involved in this at all. It's a bloody mess. Literally.
Yeah, no, I don't think I'm gonna play apologist for the opinion that "Hundreds of Israeli civilians had it coming for the crime of existing, I'm glad that they were gunned down by a terrorist attack, this isn't a war crime in the least."
That kind of "But they've been living in fear! It's different!" justification is the same shit Israel has used throughout its history to justify its atrocities, and it's no more valid in the mouth of Israel than it is in Palestine's.
Consider the following:
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The IDF defends and arms terrorists and commits terrorist acts on a daily basis
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All israeli adults serve military duty in the IDF and are reservists. Unlike the Palestinians which are not all part of the Hamas army.
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Current adult Israelis voted for Netanyahu which violently opresses them and commits genocide.
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Hamas did not shoot any children
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Hamas did not rape any women
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Hamas did not torture any prisoners
This is in retaliation to the IDF which has been comitting all these war crimes even before 7 Oct.
If you ask Ukranians about their army killing colonists in Crimea they're probably pretty fine with it as well.
The IDF defends and arms terrorists and commits terrorist acts on a daily basis
Indeed, including terrorists like Hamas.
All israeli adults serve military duty in the IDF and are reservists. Unlike the Palestinians which are not all part of the Hamas army.
A country having universal conscription does not make every civilian a fucking target. What the fuck are you, Henry Kissinger (Rest In Piss)?
Hamas did not shoot any children
Hamas did not rape any women
Hamas did not torture any prisonersFucking doubt.
Current adult Israelis voted for Netanyahu which violently opresses them and commits genocide.
Oh, all of them?
This is in retaliation to the IDF which has been comitting all these war crimes even before 7 Oct.
Again, I reiterate - that Israel is horrible does not justify Hamas being horrible or Palestinians supporting the horrible things that Hamas does, or vice-versa.
If you ask Ukranians about their army killing colonists in Crimea they’re probably pretty fine with it as well.
I would be deeply disappointed if they did, because having armed forces murdering civilians is fucking horrific.
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We are shocked! Who would have thought.
I think this is the poll in question:
https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/961
pdf warning:
https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll 90 English press release 13 Dec 2023 Final New.pdf
Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.
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Hamas had wide support before Oct 7, wide support for the attack, and now wide support under invasion to return the hostages and dismantle Hamas.
Tldr: Hamas was and is supported by the Palestinians.
P.s. I'm kinda curious how they conducted a real survey
Yeah, so Israel's done some really fucked up shit, clearly, but when I see polls like this that indicate significant Palestinian support for Hamas, my sympathy for them dips substantially. If you're going to back a terrorist group, I don't much care if you get bombed along with them.
You should care if civilian get bombed not out of sympathy for them but because it's the right thing to do. Everything is fucked over there and will make you uncomfortable.
If you’re going to back a terrorist group, I don’t much care if you get bombed along with them.
Of course they're going to support Hamas. The terrorist cell are the only ones even remotely in the corner of the Palestinians who were first being Apartheid-level oppressed by the Israeli government, and now are getting absolutely smoked by the IDF.
'Desperate' does not even begin to describe the situation of Palestinian civilians. If you were in the same position, and the only people fighting for you is a terrorist cell, I doubt you'd be that moralistic either.
If your family were to be bombed we would see if your tune changed. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Israel is working hard to make as many enemies as possible.
You're right that he would feel different if his family was bombed by the IDF.
But then you have to consider how he would feel if his family were kidnapped, raped and murdered by Hamas.
This is a textbook cycle of violence.
I would guess the Palestinians see Hamas like the US looks back on the revolutionary founding fathers, people who fought back against an oppressive government in the pursuit of independence. Both situations are far more complex than that, but for the average person who sees regular violence against their group they will support the people who fight back.
Hamas is the only group that fights for the Palestinians. Supporting America or the PLO only gets them killed. They don't give a shit about your support since you're killing them.
Thinking you're going to make someone turn against a group by killing their wife and kids and then saying "See, THEY are the bad guys!" is some next level stupid"
So is it alright if Russian civilians are bombed because of their broad support for Putin?, or u.s. and Israeli citizens get bombed for their overwhelming support for the IDF and their atrocities?
Killing civilians is bad no matter their politics.
Fuck, man, the solution to mutual hate isn't "Keep shooting until there isn't anyone left."