Proton Pass is an open source, end-to-end encrypted password manager app. Create and store passwords, email aliases, 2FA codes, and notes on all your devices
Same. I'll continue to use Bitwarden. I think it's good to have other open-source options out there, though. Proton Pass is definitely prettier and will appeal to some people that care more about the aesthetics.
I have no experience with bitwarden, but I already have a paid mail with proton and that makes this password manager free, and I kinda lost faith in my previous manager LastPass after last year.
So far, at the least the interface of proton pass is miles ahead of lastpass.
The only thing keeping me from switching to Bitwarden from Enpass is that it's a lot more convenient having two separate fields for Username and Email. I want to be able to have both saved without creating a new field each time.
It's horrible. I've had to hack together a shell script to switch between countries using a bunch of openvpn config files. The official app broke my Linux Mint network setup.
I agree. Especially since tons of password managers exist on the market and in many forms.
I would rather prefer that they improve Proton Drive and Proton Calendar, that are to me much more complementary to Proton Mail.
This is exactly my sentiment. I had an account with two mail users, custom domain, one VPN connection, etc. for a couple of years. It was nice but while ProtonMail is one of their most mature product, it still feels quite lacking compared to other offerings. And with every other product they have, things feel less and less thorough. I support their efforts, but don't really want to pay for the way they're doing it. I still keep an eye out though, because I think it has a lot of potential.
Same here. I'm fine using Proton for my mail & drive, but I also like keeping my passwords separate in bitwarden, and my 2fa separate in my raivo. A healthy separation is good.
Yeah I'm quite tempted to get on board with Proton as they could replace Tutanota, Bitwarden, Nord VPN and One Drive/Google Drive for me. Seems convenient and privacy focused but obviously all my eggs in one basket seems like something I might come to regret.
Same for me. I use protonmail and used protonvpn for a while, but putting all my eggs in the same basket... I will keep using other providers for my other stuff.
Just wish KeepassXC supported Bitwarden export. Tried that earlier this week and it was no good. So staying on Bitwarden. I did install Proton Pass and tried it out. It is not as intrusive as Bitwarden on Android for permissions. Staying on Bitwarden for now . . . I hate passwords . . .
Probably none, if you're fine with KeePass. Personally I don't want to use anything that's hosted on someone else's server. It's a bit more inconvenient to use the local files of KeePass only, but I'd rather feel a bit safer with that, even if by all account BitWarden/Proton Pass would be fine.
I like Bitwarden because it's reliable, secure, feature-rich, and incredibly reasonably priced. But also, if they ever do something that crosses the line, I can spin up a Vaultwarden on a VPS and move my vault in an hour or two.
It's the same reason I host a dumb blog on WordPress owned infrastructure. I support FOSS companies, and like the ejector button freedom.
Proton is starting to loose focus in my opinion. I've been a costumer for 5 years only using email and I moved this year to fastmail and I couldn't be happier.
Unlimited emails alias, good apps, ability to use thunderbird without a self hosted bridge.
The promise of a encrypted email does not work if your contacts are not on proton too (for me was 100% of my contacts).
If you are really focused on privacy you would choose nextcloud for cloud for example and keypass or Bitwarden for password managers.
I would like them to focus on email client features and stop this side hustles.
They make good products, but they promise release dates over and over again, and miss them by 2+ years.
They also fuck people over by releasing apps to only their visionary memberships. Like okay. Guess my $150/month doesn't mean shit because I'm not visionary? Glad to wait 8 months for the beta to trickle down to me..
Still waiting on the ProtonMail Android app to be remade, and ProtonDrive Windows desktop app.
Edit: wait, I need a business plan to use this? What?
Ya, I'll stick to my $1.30 CAD per month for BitWarden over the $6 for this.
I feel their business side is run by morons. I tried to setup a small business with them, and gave up when I couldn't wrestle a price out of their sales folks after two weeks of back and forth emails.
As discussed in the January update, Android will require more work as we are rewriting more of the application, with a big focus on performance and stability. This means some Android features you have requested for Mail are not in our immediate scope for delivery. In particular, conversation view (also known as threading view) won’t make it into the first version of the new Android app, but we hope to deliver it soon after release.
The inbox is constantly showing loading for me. If I get a notification, I can tap that and view that specific email, but I can never view the whole inbox. It has been this way for me for months.
Paid plan adds really basic features other password managers offer for free. Like auto copying of 2FA codes.
Wouldn't be bad if I could just pay for it. The fact they are requiring me to upgrade to a different tier to do it is ridiculous. This model should be shunned hard.
I shouldn't have to upgrade to an entirely different tier to unlock access to a different Proton service. I should be able to just subscribe to it. Especially since Proton has removed previous tiers in the past, so who's to say if I no longer want Proton Pass that I can downgrade back to my previous tier?
Like ya, the business tier offers Pass Plus, Drive Plus, and VPN Plus, all of which I do not care about nor do I want. Stop bundling it together. Sell me Pass Plus separately.
Terrible, terrible system. I am honestly over the way they manage their company, and I really think about leaving their services for good. I'm sure when they release Proton Notes it'll be in beta for visionary customers for 3 years before trickling down to us plebs that only pay $150/month and even then it'll only be available on their business plan.
EDIT: actually it seems like they only offer 2FA on their paid plan in general.
EDIT 2: for those wondering, I have a mail essentials business plan customized to allow a bunch of custom domains. The fact I pay SO much just to have a handful of custom domains, but the rest of my account essentially gets the same features as a FREE Proton account is insane. I'd love to pay less and remove Proton VPN, since I literally never use it, as Mullvad is better and cheaper.
Why am I paying so much, but I am treated like a free user?
I advice anyone against switching for now, especially if you're using KeePass or Bitwarden. Proton Pass has just been released, meaning it is not audited and it's immature.
I would not trust it with my passwords just yet.
@protonmail Proton claims to be a privacy oriented company and yet their email app doesn't show push notifications without Google Play Services means you will either have to use Google Play Services or live without push notifications (if you are using a degoogled phone). If Tutanota app could show push notifications without Google Play Services, it is definitely possible. What a joke!!
@SoulKeeper While we rely on Google Play Store services for push notifications, they are end-to-end encrypted. To stay private when using Proton Mail on an Android phone, we recommend trying some of these tips: https://proton.me/blog/android-privacy .
We are also working on a complete rewrite of our Android app, which will allow for the improved functionalities and features to be added.
I was in the beta of it, didn't use it though as i am on 1password.
For me it's important that i have a desktop application. I don't want to open my fcking webbrowser anytime i need a password or want to edit some credentials.
And they simply don't have one. I gave it as feedback and they say it's on their roadmap. I said they should take 1passwords desktop as inspiration as it works so fcking good; I really love that floating quick search that you can summon with a keycombo.
I probably would anyway. It was just in case Proton had come up with some killer feature or security measure that would blow everything else out of the water.
Great that it has an email alias feature built in. But I use 1Password and to me it's been so great that it'd be really hard to convince me switching to something else.
Been using Bitwarden for a few years now, but this one looks tempting. I suppose it has better UI and integrated 2FA sounds nice. Also I’m already a Proton Mail subscriber, so it could be nice addition to the ecosystem.
If they're going to try to compete with Bitwarden they could at least offer 2FA for free instead of paywalling it as a feature. It was disappointing when Bitwarden did it, and it's even more disappointing with Proton - it's like failing an open book test.
I’m all for open source alternatives to bitwarden but this is non competitive with a mandatory subscription fee. Bitwarden is completely free for most users.
I thought the same thing but it actually does have a limited free plan. Seems like, similar to BW, it restricts 2FA behind the pass, but also with the pass you get unlimited hide-my-email aliases, multiple vaults to organize in (I don't know what this means), and eventually autofill credit cards.
This is quite a bit more expensive than BW's paid plan though. Not sure what all differences it has to BW otherwise.
I don't think using the same credentials for an email service and a password manager is a good idea, regardless of how much I like Proton and what they stand for.
As per the video they released https://youtu.be/M8doASpFbuk it allows you to immediately enter the 2FA account.. oh man. as @noodlejetski said, this very much negates the whole point of 2FA.
I really like protonmail and have been a paying user for years now. But nothing beyond calendar and mail has really made a lot of sense to me so far. I'll stick to my Keepass container, syncing that across my devices. It's easy to manage and I don't need to trust anyone else with that data ever in no way, shape or form.