Not even the ghost of obsolescence can coerce users onto Windows 11

Am I missing something? Microsoft literally won't let me upgrade because my fully functional processor is deemed to old for them. Of coarse the adoption rate is low if they start by excluding a good portion of their user base.

Windows 11 has one specific limiting feature that drives me bonkers and it's not being able to click the clock in the bottom right on a secondary monitor to pull up a calendar. Windows 10 has this, why remove it?

It's a miniscule but good feature

Why would I upgrade to an OS that pushes ads on my login screen and start menu? Some software forces me to keep a windows machine around but I'm certainly in no hurry to upgrade from 10 to 11.

Let's see. Its full of ads, spyware and the ui is a complete mess.

I can't imagine why people a digging in there heals

2 years is plenty of time to see where linux support is. We should have a good idea by then of where gaming and streaming quality stand for the foreseeable future.

Most of my PCs will easily go to linux, the big question is whether to suck it up and upgrade my gaming rig to 11 or just switch everything to linux.

To me an os should be something that just let's me run programs of my choice and use my hardware to it's fullest. Eg be as light as possible.

With windows it just wants to suck up all my hardware/battery by itself and puts up a fight anytime I want to install anything myself

Don't know how many times now I've had to take defaults away from things like edge but yeah

I have a rig with Windows 10, and haven't upgraded because.. Microsoft arbitrarily say my CPU is unsupported, even though it meets all the criteria.

Windows 11 coerced me into being an Ubuntu user.

The comparisons in the article are boneheded.

According to Statcounter, the worldwide Windows version desktop market share puts Windows 10 at 71.64 percent, with Windows 11 trailing at 23.61 percent.

To put that in context, Windows 11 was launched two years ago today. Windows 10 was launched in 2015 and took two years to reach the same market share as the then-dominant player, Windows 7.

Comparing the numbers of the move from 7 to 10 to that from 10 to 11 ignores that whole shitshow with 8.0 and the correction of 8.1.

Of course it's easier for 10 to dethrone 7 when there is the spoiler effect of 8 and 8.1!

So anyways, I've been playing Baldurs Gate and Genshin on Linux and it's pretty dope

Windows, a solution to problems that only exist because of Windows.

The single biggest reason is that Microsoft significantly limited the hardware that can be used for W11 with the TPM and stringent hardware needs.

My pc isn't compatible with Win11 (unsupported cpu) and since I'm poor, I'm not getting a new one anytime soon.

Besides, Win10 is great.

Windows 11 is basically Windows 10 with a slightly nicer (in most respects) desktop. There aren't a lot of compelling reasons to switch if what you have works well enough.

The usual “switch to Linux” spiel.

It’s easier than ever before, blah blah blah.

[Debian based distro] is a good option.

Beware of temporary pitfalls such as Adobe and arrogant game devs decided not to tick the EAC/Battleye for Proton compatibility box, etc.

Tbh, it’s really getting tiring to tell people to try Linux to only get hit with a tsunami of out of date straw man arguments featuring issues that haven’t be relevant in almost a decade.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Windows 10 isn't even close to end of support.

If enterprise users haven't moved over then individual users don't need to.

I will move over before support finishes but make no mistake that'll be because I'm forced to due to security reasons and not because I want to.

My windows 10 enterprise has been running flawlessly.

There is a trend line of the amount of shit you need to do to get linux to do things you want.
There is a trend line of the amount of shit you need to do to stop windows from doing things you don't want.

Those two lines have crossed quite a while ago.

I said it before, and I say it again. Once I am forced to switch to win 11, I'm not doing so. I'm simply switching to Linux.

Windows has been on a downward spiral and I don't see that improving anytime soon

Windows 10 should be proud it is XP next generation. We are going to get another vista disaster if Microsoft keeps pushing 11.

I use windows 10 atm. The wife is using windows 11. This is a laptop though, so I might just keep it as windows 10 and then get a new computer and put linux on it. Windows 11 has no redeeming qualities as far as I can see.

These articles cater to the privacy centric, super user type people, which is totally fine, but we should remember that we are not the average user. We represent... basically an insignificant percentage of the user base.

Windows is not actually having a problem getting people to upgrade to Windows 11. There is a small minority of people who see the issues and are loud about it, but I guarantee that 95% will update when their computer tells them they have to update (when it does the "next time you restart we are doing it for you" thing).

My rig is outdated but plays all the games I play. I can’t afford a gaming rig update just to get Windows 11 with start menu ads and junk.

I'll use my Win 10 machine as the daily driver until the very last day of support. I game in 1080, and my 6gb 1060 coupled with my 6700k blows all but the very latest and most demanding games out of the water.

By the time I'm strong armed into Win 11, there might be a better option by then, but at the very least it will be a nice cheap time to upgrade to 2-3 year old hardware so I can continue playing factorio, but in 1440 instead of 1080.

I haven't moved to Linux because I work in healthcare and do 12 hour shifts and do not have the time needed to-

Wipe anything
Reinstall anything
Learn new things and finally
Use my computer.

The last one is the real pain. I'll tell ya though, if I ever get to sit at my computer again I'll learn how to unfuck it and I hope by then there's some easy to access resources for learning a system!

Just so everyone knows at one point Microsoft was forced to buy your unused windows key on a new computer. It would be a damn shame if we forced them to do that again.

It's true. Windows 11 looks too different for many people, especially in Enterprise and Small Business. People know the Windows 7/10 look and layout and don't want to learn something new.

Also, when we rolled out 10 in the Enterprise we had our fair share of issues which were eventually worked out over time. Now 10 is finally stable, no one wants to change it again.

Especially in a Manufacturing business where every second counts and any delays cost money, you don't have time for Windows issues.

Microsoft should make Windows 10 a "Pro" OS for Enterprise and support it forever, and make Windows 11 the "Home" OS for families to use at home. After all they only did it to complete with MacOS, which is predominantly used by home users and doesn't feature massively in Enterprise

Hehehe they can't force me to switch if I don't have secure boot.

I will die before I use Windows 11.

"Upgrading" from 7 to 10 was already painful enough.

Until they let me use Windows 11 without a TPM, how am I supposed to upgrade?

I would absolutely rather stick with 10 if I could've. Hell, give me back XP.

I had to get a new PC and it came with WIN 11 honestly it's not any more terrible than any other version of Windows once I shut off all the obnoxious options that are defaulted on. But also I never would have bothered installing it if I hadn't gotten an entirely new system.

Look at the bright side - there’s gonna be shitloads of not that old enterprise hardware on the market.

During the rise of work from home the last few years, my wife needed a home desktop setup. I picked up a used Dell micro for like $200, installed 10 and we were off. She basically just needed an RDP connection so nothing special.

If she needed to continue past when 10 was supported I’d just throw Fedora on there and go through FreeRDP.

I’ve got another micro running some VMs on Proxmox. I love these things.

I'm running Win7 because I don't wanna fiddle around with Linux as the primary use of my computron is gaming. Steam announced that it will stop running on Win7 starting January 2024. Not sure what I will be doing January 2024 yet, currently trying to decide between Linux and a pirated Win10. Open for suggestions.

Putting the obvious privacy issues aside (which also exist in Windows 10), my friends/family who use Windows actually enjoy Windows 11. Most people don't care about privacy, they enjoy running the most recent windows edition whatever that is.

The problem is that Windows 11 introduced some really arbitrary hardware requirements and people who actually want to upgrade don't have the tech knowledge to bypass them. These sites think people hate windows 11 but they're just too poor to upgrade.

I don't even understand why Windows 11 exists. I thought Windows 10 was meant to be the last version and then it was continually upgraded. They never add any particularly good new features, so I'm happy with security updates and staying behind a few months on feature updates to avoid being a beta tester.

Oh, and Windows 11 removed the ability to put the taskbar on the left or right, and I would have thought that perhaps teams of engineers and designers paid 100k+ in a trillion dollar company would be able to make that a reality, regardless of whether or not it's only 1% of users (millions of people) that use that feature. I heard the right click menus have been fucked up by some idiot as well, and the sad thing is they probably spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to make them that way, after many many depressing meetings and someone had to task it all out in Azure, whilst gradually losing the will to live, just to eventually make an already existent feature worse. Nice job Microsoft.

I'm happy to wait until Windows 11 is at least at feature parity with Windows 10 and thoroughly tested before I "upgrade". I suspect some things got better, but it isn't worth it.

the ghost of obsolescence

the 4ᵗʰ ghost of christmas

Windows means it's not your computer. Simple as that. Maybe that's OK for most people, sure.

These will be the same people forever defending and holding on to 11 after 10 is dead and 12 has been out forever. Just like all times before. The people holding on to 7 are now these staunch 10 defenders after it was obvious 7 was a crutch.

I'd like to try Linux for real one day, I've hap hazardly tried it a few times over the years but ahh fuck it. I barely have time these days to do shit that I want than worry about switching OS's, maybe when I retire one day or kids move out. Probably too late then, MS will have all the data on me that everyone is so concerned about.

I've had to use some W11 virtual machines for school. Absolutely miserable user experience, both for everyday tasks and power users. Just.. why?

Hell, i refuse to move off win7. And given the eavesdropping behaviour of my laptop even after a deshittification scrub, that's not gonna change any time soon.

Had to get a new laptop for work. Came with Windows 11. It's fine. I actually like one feature it comes with that windows 10 doesn't have. I went through the rigamarole of uninstalling all the nonsense and stopping tracking (yeah, sure I did), and all that. It's a pain. I did it with windows 10. And 7. And I'm sure I fucked around with XP. I'll fuck around with every windows I get.

My PC is windows 10. I won't upgrade. When I build a new one, who knows!

This happens over and over again with Windows so I don't really take any of these articles seriously. People will migrate to either 11 or whatever comes next. All the kicking and screaming in the world won't be able to stop them. How long are tech folks going to repeat this cycle?

When I got my new laptop I spent a full hour just trying to delete edge. It's still there, but I think I managed to disable it's auto update.

I don't mind windows 11

I manage a university computer lab and am only planning to upgrade because new consumer devices ship with it. This has already caused a lot of trouble.

Not upgrading until Steam stops running on W10, and maybe not even then.

Ah, so it is exactly like Windows 8

I’m fairly sure Microsoft touted Windows 10 as the “last version of Windows” and were just going to build on and improve it forever.

But yeah Windows 11 is shit. I wish we could all go back to Windows 7.

Wow I feel like the lone Mac user on this thread.

So as somebody who has avoided Win11 just because I use a taskbar in a configuration that Win11 doesn't support (docked to the left edge of the screen, no grouping, full text labels) what's the reason other people are avoiding Win11? Something about ads?

Because on the "windows login" thing, I actually like that part. Having automatic cloud sync of my documents and config across machines through OneDrive is handy. I agree it shouldn't be mandatory, but it suits me.

Anyone know why windows 11 keyboard input lags so much? Impossible to play FFR on it. Even in compatibility mode.

Windows is so diversed you natively can install WSL (apart from cygwin in the old days) and look like hackintosh at the same time.

My laptop came with it but i downgraded to W10. My issue was with adrenalin driver which barely does its thing on W11

Not even the stock photo guys can install that UH11 update.

Honestly, I can't think of a single reason to upgrade, except possibly WSA.

Then again, basically the only thing windows 10 has over XP is WSL.

I hate W10 so much I moved to Linux. Cursed tablet-first "OS". At work we are supposed to get W11 soonish and I look forward to that. It takes a while to roll out new OS in companies. Once it happens, people will get used to it and probably upgrade at home.