I don't even know how Lemmy works
I don't even know how Lemmy works
The drama is related to a Science Fiction community mod and and admin. I don't know enough to write on it, so check there.
Edit: MFW I just wanted to make a meme but dragged all the drama here
For those who missed this. Izzy, the (only) mod at the science fiction community, was banned by admins.
The reason is him often complaining about there being ads in the Sync client for Lemmy.
Admins take that as toxic behavior and harassment, and ultimately banned him. Which... Take it as you wish, the modlog and comment histories are available.
Izzy came back from another account to say their goodbyes, as they no longer wish to be involved anyway. This post seems to have disappeared.
Then a bit later, admin came to SF to make a post looking for new mods. When people brought up the situation, they locked the thread.
You know, I thought nothing about it for a second until I remembered a conversation I was in a couple days ago...and sure enough, there is Izzy in my inbox complaining about Sync having ads.
I had said something along the lines of their stance being a weird hill to die on, but it looks like die on it they did.
I would just like to chime in here as I helped Izzy mod c/sciencefiction for a couple months and left the mod team a couple weeks ago. I decided to leave that community mostly because I just wasn't that interested in the subject matter but also because I wasn't vibing with Izzy. I noticed a lot of their posts about Sync and yes, they were pretty relentless popping in many threads just to shit on the ad platform. It was a lot. I also noticed some, what I feel are toxic comments, in some posts about COVID and I ultimately decided I didn't want to involve myself with them any longer. Now I only know what Antik and Izzy have stated, there hasn't been any additional given in mod channels so I know as much as you all, but I believe there is more that Izzy was doing in private messages that led to their ban. They were polite to me in our personal conversations but I can see them taking it too far with the admins. Take that for what you will, just my opinion. But I thought I'd at least say something having been a mod in that community as well.
Wow thank you @[email protected]. I didn't want to include you in this mess but I appreciate this a lot.
Pretty biased take. The guy WAS toxic, I had dealt with him before. He'd just jump on any comment concerning sync to get on his soapbox, regardless of whether it was relevant. The community's better off without that nonsense.
If "toxic" means disagreeing with you, then you're absolutely right.
Was he as obnoxious with the sync rants as the admins said he was though? The way they said it seemed to me they were complaining about it everywhere. Although I’m not sure how that got admin attention. Maybe lots of users reported them?
I've seen the guy around and it's literally the only thing I've ever witnessed him talk about. It's like an actual obsession.
Definitely adamant, but from what I've seen, nothing out of the ordinary on Lemmy where everyone is free to bring to certain topics and bitch about them constantly and anywhere (Reddit, Musk, cops...). Like everyone is free to pile on and brigade against Unity right now, so I don't see the difference.
If anything, I've definitely seen more toxicity from some defensive Sync users myself.
Back when lots of apps were coming out, I was also questioning how weird it is to have a closed-source ad-supported client for this platform that's all about open source and privacy, and was called all kinds of names. I've blocked quite a few people at that time rather than reporting, that's what I prefer to do.
I asked an admin directly several times if there was anything else than these kinds of incidents, and couldn't get a straight answer.
I replied to you a bit lower here too and this will also be my last post about this because if you don't understand it now you never will and i will accept that.
Izzy came back from another account to say their goodbyes, as they no longer wish to be involved anyway. This post seems to have disappeared.
All Izzy's accounts are banned. And the reason they posted was not to say "that they didn't wish to be involved any longer" because that's a bit after-the-fact right. They wanted to cause more drama.
Then a bit later, admin came to SF to make a post looking for new mods. When people brought up the situation, they locked the thread.
I posted what we had to say and closed the thread immediately after. You are twisting the timeline of events to use it in your favor, pure sensationalism.
You seem to feel a certain way about the admins on this instance. You are a moderator and you would be welcome to interact with others in our moderator discord server and at least make an informed post but seemingly you prefer not to interact with the others and instead to make up your own version of things.
But to end this on a positive note, we had people reach out to become moderators on [email protected] and we'll hook them up with eachother so they can get things going again.
If you want to accuse people of twisting words, you need to look into the mirror as well, Antik. As you say, I talked to you on Matrix and couldn't get an answer to a question I asked 3 times, and then you deliberately misinterpret what I say.
So also don't tell me that I don't try to communicate, when I did exactly that. And you don't know what I do to coordinate with other people around Lemmy. I don't talk to admins because I don't want to bug you people with every little thing when I'm sure you're busy with other stuff and everyone is trying to talk. And I literally can't use Discord because it's a broken POS. Yet I still was in your Discord server before you had this official one.
All I wanted in this thread is to provide information to people who didn't know what happened. As accurately and sparsely as possible to let people make up your own mind, and I definitely don't think I twisted anything, much less the timeline. You say I misinterpreted things because I don't see it from your perspective.
Whatever, we are all humans, have our own point of view, but don't accuse me of sensationalism or some other motivations. That's like, one of the last thing I ever want, and I don't like it when people accuse me of motivations that are completely off. Like what do you think I'm doing, trying to take over the server or what would be the point of sensationalism and transforming reality?
I don't even "feel the certain way" about the admins, I told you that you do a fine job in general. But true, there's a general attitude on Lemmy that tends to put a sour taste in my mouth, and I've always tried to do my part to not be a part of it. The "don't say the wrong thing or you'll get banned" and "suspect everyone is out to just make drama" among those issues.
And of course as a mod I know what a fine line that is. Shiit, when I talked to my co-mods about this thing, the first thing I asked was if I'm not hypocritical. I try not to be. So please try to not look for the worst in people. Most are just trying their best to make this site a better place, just like you, and everyone is passionate about different things.
The reason is him often complaining about there being ads in the Sync client for Lemmy.
bet there is a bit more to it than that..
Why not just use a different app or something. I use Memmy and there’s zero ads.
Damn. Makes me glad I main on a different instance altogether. Getting banned for complaining about ads? I'd have been gone the first week.
Complaining about ads, in an unaffiliated (well, you can't be affiliated to lemmy at all) 3rd party client...
Well, we can say he was gone on his own terms. The terms weren't very wise, but they were his own.
But now I'm wondering about the future of scifi@world.
I see you love sci-fi
This sounds perfectly Reddit.
I thought we came to the Fediverse to escape this bullshit.
I just think that lemmy.world tries really really hard to be reddit.
redditors leave reddit to form their own community
realize that this community is just like reddit
get mad about it
Gee, I wonder what the problem is.
I think often needs to be bolded there.
I agree with him, but I don't think I was toxic about it or even really intended to be toxic.
Which instance did this happen on?
Oh, this happened on kbin.
This one, lemmy.world
Hate to break it to you but every site where people can talk to each other always comes with drama.
Hate to break it to you but
every site wherepeoplecan talk to each other alwayscomeswith drama.Fixed it.
Solid edit
This was a case of harassment from one user to another. That one is a developer of a successful app and the other is the moderator of a successful community has nothing to do with it. Izzy was asked on numerous occasions to stop derailing every conversation and stop targeting the user. You can not like something, you can be critical of something but at least try to be constructive. They were relentless. And when a warning was given by the admin they came back guns blazing, now also making accusations towards the admin team.
We have NO financial connection to Sync. We do not accept ANY money or other incentives from anyone exactly for this reason also, about how it might look if things go south.
Normally we don't talk about the bans in public because whatever we say people will twist the story make their own versions of it and run with it. So I posted what we had to say about that and locked the thread.
So finally I just want to say that it is unfortunate what happened but there were MANY occasions where Izzy was offered the chance to prevent this from happening. And as a moderator of a big community he has to be an example. Moderators should be held to a higher standard than normal users.
Edit: for another perspective, the other moderator from [email protected] who left the community a while ago chimes in: https://lemmy.world/comment/3571751
Your responses to WhoRoger over on that thread doesn't give me much confidence that you're on the level, Antik.
All this because he was expressing his dislike for ads in the Sync client?
I don't see why its not allowed for a moderator to have opinions about ads, as long as he is not exploiting his moderator position to remove posts that disagree with his opinions.
Anyway, I know I don't understand the situation fully so I shouldn't really say anything about it. At the end of the day, each instance makes their own decisions about these things.
What, a post critical of LW from @[email protected] without the thiniest bit of background information. Say it isn't so!
Drama is a pathway to arguments some consider... unnatural.
Huh. I thought the name sounded familiar, went back and checked my history. Yep, he was trolling a sync thread and getting into arguments over ads a month ago. Some stupid take about better to have no free software than ad supported. Can't say I'm too surprised to hear this happened.
Internet drama is fun. The problem is Reddit started the wrong kind of drama.
Reddit basically started an internet orgy at their house and after the party had long been started declared that they're the only ones allowed to cum.
I was trying to think of a meme for this situation but I'm too depressed, honestly. So yea, apt
Seeing your name in the other community is what made me think to make a star wars même!
That's good. It means the platform is growing :P
I moved my account from Lemmy.world to another instance for reasons, what's happening now?
According to the one comment I read from some mod or admin on the sci-fi community, one of the mods was starkly against some feature and supposedly would derail the conversation with criticisms every time it came up. They were kicked for 1 day and allegedly threw a fit, demanding repercussions and apologies, and crossed a line in their appeals, so they were permanently banned.
Don't know everything though, this is literally just one second or third hand perspective.
Edit: whoops didn't realize someone else already described it haha. Take a look further down the thread (or higher depending on how you have it sorted)
Same shit, different day it seems
What happend?
I need to know as well
Don't use lemmy world. Their are other options you know
I did not know this and I'm confused about how Lemmy works. What url is best?
There isn't one (that's a good thing). Choose a instance that is semi small and close to you or your interests. I found this website helpful: https://lemmyverse.net/
You should still be able to access the same content assuming it isn't blocked by the instance admin
I'm kinda disappointed that there's nothing in [email protected] about it.
They only seem to post about Reddit drama, not Fediverse drama. Maybe that should change.
