In a series of videos shared in private Facebook groups, Pedersen is seen standing among bushes across the street from the Alberta Teachers’ Association head office in Edmonton. The videos are filmed at night time and Pedersen is illuminating her face with a flashlight.
“I’m in a very special place,” Pedersen tells viewers in one video. “I am standing in front of the Alberta Teachers’ Association. Why am I standing here?"
I don't want those fuckers anywhere near my kids. Not only are they fucking nuts, but this is the kind of shit that always winds up with a bunch of pedos "protecting the children"
Literally every one of these concern trolling groups hides an actual predator or ten. The rest are all apologists or guilty of other forms of emotional abuse and neglect.
Another astroturf event incoming. Will we see perfectly choreographed videos of 50 people with identical half-full gas cans "spontaneously" showing up in support this time too?
Get a loudspeaker and blast some educational YouTube at their ignorant asses. Probably will just piss them off, but it might actually enlighten a few of them. Win-win.
I have a question for my Canadian sisters, brothers, and others.
How much of this shit is actually organic to Canadian culture, and how much creeps in because the assholes there see what the assholes in the US are exploiting and decide to give it a try there?
Feels like a lot of culture creep. Some of these wing nuts talk about the first amendment as if we have that here. Some of them also seem to think that our Prime Minister has presidential powers. I think the “fuck Trudeau” flags are a rip off of the “fuck Biden” flags too.
Yeah, when the convoy crew ended up in court, they kept talking about their 'amendment rights', and the judges had to ask what they were talking about. These people are so dense that black holes are jealous. It's more proof that they're being purposely misled and manipulated in order to sow anger, disharmony, and fight against ourselves instead of the real sources of our problems.
Nah. The YouTube and Facebook channels are probably more US-centric, which is where they get the "amendment" crap, but there are absolutely groups like this - anti-intellectual, often fairly "religious" - that have been around in Canada for a long time. More they're just more organized and funded instead of being loose collection of weirdos that most people could happily ignore. Trumpism in the US may have emboldened village idiots around the world, but it didn't really make them.
Trudeau has been around longer than Biden has been president, as have the bumper stickers. Those were here even before he became PM.
We tend to consume a lot of American media, whether it be music, movies, tv, etc.
With the advent of social media, that got cranked up to 11. So, we have the same impressionable people being targeted by US-style far right propaganda and you can already see its effects.
Someone like Erin O'Toole was exactly what the conservative party needed to bring more people from the center to the Torys, but as soon as he lost one election, they booted him to the curb in favour of Alt-Right Milhouse, who was cozying up to the Convoy protestors and being called "a Superstar for the Far Right" by none other than InfoWars owner and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.
I just hope to god our apathy doesnt take over and allow that cretin and his cronies form government and keep carving up our country and environment to the detriment of everyone but the ultra-wealthy.
Don't have any sources but it seems pretty likely that Canadian hate groups have similar sponsors to American ones so it's a little like planting the same seeds in different soil, it's not really a surprise when you get the same tomatoes.
(Anglo) Canada is culture creep: the nation. We never left Britain, but we sound like Americans when we talk. You know why? Every time something bad happens down there a giant wave of immigrants comes up here. Draft dodgers were only the latest wave.
So yeah, they're very clearly ripping off the GOP. You can also tell because they didn't even really change the artwork. The question is what will we do about them? I'm afraid we're going to go the modern German way and let hate movements fester until they're too big to effectively deal with.
That's a great question. I think there's been a lot of influence from the U.S., but the potential for this inane behaviour was always there.
Unfortunately where I live (northern Ontario), the people you see who are all like, Fuck Trudeau, are the ones with the massive Ford F250's with lift kits and regular-sized tires in winter, who decided not to further their education after high-school. These are people who don't listen to reason and believe the ramblings of people who are literally unhinged, because they want to believe someone/thing is responsible for their life choices and problems.
With the convoy that went to Ottawa (a whole other story), my husband would try to reason with these people in FB groups. He got banned a lot. Most of them would quote Joe Rogan and Russel Brand, who are hilariously not Canadian.
Australian here. We got the same shit going down here and it's very much not organic to our culture. We're having a referendum this year for our first nations people to be recognised in our constitution. I shit you not the campaign against this is being funded directly by the same bad actors behind the culture wars bullshit in the US.
I was literally just going to make a joke about that.
I'm from the US, we have much better things to copy than our absolutely shit garbage politics... like BBQ ribs. Copy those, don't copy our garbage propaganda lol
Property damage is peak direct action. No matter how terrible these people are, many of them have innocent family members who would be affected if they were physically harmed.
Many years ago, the westboro baptist assholes tried to protest a funeral in McAlester, OK. Someone slashed the tires on the van they had driven to town, and nobody in town would replace their tires, until they went to walmart where a spineless manager made the techs change their tires. It was amazing, nobody ever got in trouble, and they never came back to that town. If you want a subset of assholes to stay away, sinilar steps should be taken to make thier visit expensive and difficult.
I mean id probably be good if we waited until hs or college to teach gender identity. Middle school or prior is too early, too confusing for kids who have the misfortune (like me) of maturing very early thanks to GMO foods. Sure teach everyone to not impregnate eachother, but stop at biologics with children.
After reading this comment section I will say that the term far-right is misused so much (thanks headline writer). I am someone who, for example, thinks abortion should be legal, yet that we shouldn’t be teaching kids that if their emotions are strong enough that they should commit to cross dressing and surgeries. Not to say the trans community is entirely con artists, only that they should wait until people are closer to adulthood and therefore more mature before they make permanent decisions.
As it sits the trans movements’ momentum relies heavily on indoctrination of kids, and its sad and alarming that these ideas are not as persuasive to older people. We should not stand behind ideologies that make less sense as we mature, especially in publicly funded school systems. We should teach the oldest ideas to the youngest people, not the other way around.
At college though, we should certainly teach the newest ideas to the now older people. Including trans theory
Im sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I don’t think fear is a productive response. Bottom line concentrated chemicals can be dangerous. I don’t think that is in any way controversial.
Do you eat corn, corn syrup, or sugar? Corn chips?
And evidence that endocrine disruptors affects age of puberty:
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.1104748#r17
“We estimated an inverse association between urinary 2,5-DCP concentration and age of menarche in girls 12–16 years of age who participated in the NHANES study during 2003–2008. To our knowledge, ours is the first population-based study to report an association between exposure to the putative environmental EDC dichlorobenzene and age of menarche, an outcome that may reflect endocrine-disrupting effects. “
Fear can be good, it stops us doing things that are unnecessarily risky. I apparently hold the controversial opinion that we should treat our bodies better.
I mean id probably be good if we waited until hs or college to teach gender identity.
Children are bombarded by gender norms long before they stop using diapers… so you can’t really mean ‘gender identity’ here. Presumably you mean “nobody should learn about transgender identities until high school or maybe college”.
I assume, much like the many people who realize they are gay or lesbian earlier in adolescence, that many transgendered individuals also realize or suspect their gender status early in adolescence as well. It’s rather cruel to hide away information like this at the time when it is especially relevant… just as it would be cruel to not teach about periods until many girls have already started them (another bright inspiration brought to us by social conservatives). Rather than being isolated in the dark, children should be supported as they grow into their own individuals.
Motherfuckers wield the word "indoctrination" like a bludgeon, hoping that nobody notices they've been beating down everyone in the world with their own indoctrination since time immemorial.
I think your argument here is essentially, more sooner, more better. This on its face makes sense, as there are people (not you nor I) who are gay, lesbian, or trans from birth and those people ought to be taught how the world has essentially mistreated them.
I don’t think though that that is support. I mean, if you scrape your knee, and someone gives you a lecture on how pavement is harder than flesh and that because of that you were injured then they are not supporting you.
If a person is trans, what they need is no different from what any other person needs. They need to know they are loved. They need to know that they are accepted.
Why is it automatically the default that gay, lesbian, and trans people are automatically “isolated in the dark” if they are not taught about social structures at the ripe age of 10 years old?
Not only is it unlikely that a child would affect our society (so therefore why teach it), but it is even more unlikely that they are mature enough to understand the complexity of what our society is.
We should be teaching kids how to love each other, they shouldn’t need a reason.
From my kids schooling, sex ed in early grades focuses on consent ("Don't touch people if they say no"), acceptance of differences ("Don't make fun of someone cuz they look/act different"), and acceptance of self ("try to understand your own feelings").
I haven't seen anything about pushing an agenda beyond personal autonomy. Can you tell me where you heard about this kind of agenda?
Sure, and the “don’t touch me there, thats my no no square” programming I think is good, and productive.
The issue I have is the ‘later’ grades education. For me (class of 2020) the latest education I received regarding sexual education was in fifth grade, where we were taught absolutely everything. All of the intercourses, all of the anatomy.
There was no follow up, there was no peer to peer discussion, only adults telling us what the world was.
My argument is not that we shouldn’t teach people all about sex and even sexual identities, only that we should teach them later in life, when people feel more confident in standing up to authority, and thinking for themselves.
If a person is gay, lesbian, or trans, they will know, so why do they need to be educated by someone who likely knows less than them? (Aka adult teacher).
Acceptance is a slightly different issue, just as we learn to not point at people with disabilities, all people should learn to not point at someone who cross dresses, and furthermore should try to befriend them, just as in the case of a disabled person
If you think sex ed should be delayed until it's literally TOO FUCKING LATE, then you are actually far right and just don't admit it. I don't give a shit what your other beliefs are. "High school or college"? You're trolling, right?
Do you have any idea how many kids literally kill themselves because nobody ever told them it was actually okay (as in, incredibly common, and not a mental illness or abomination) to feel like that? And those that actually make it through into their twenties and beyond suffer lifelong serious emotional damage just from the ostracization, even IF they decide to conform (some would say especially if).
Your idiotic archaic notions of denying them the power to know and choose for themselves is the real indoctrination, and that shit actually KILLS kids.
I’m certainly conservative, I have denied nothing. I’m not an extremist, but that doesn’t fit into your worldview, therefore not true.
You are a far left bigoted idiot, and I cannot believe that you’re opinion is even real. Chances are that you genuinely are a russian bot here to muck up the conversation.
And as for your stupid point, fact is that more people kill themselves after transitioning, not before. Why is complex, some is external, some is internal, but numbers don’t lie.
Here is your response and my evidence, another has written it:
They do not use numbers, only emotions, if they used numbers, they would have no argument.
From the post:
“There you have it. To be clear:
No, the study does not show that medical transition results in suicide or suicidal ideation. The study explicitly states that such is not the case and those using this study to make that claim are using fallacious logic.
No, the study does not prove that trans women are rapists or likely to be rapists. The “male pattern of criminality” found in the 1973 to 1988 cohort group was not a euphemism for rape.
No, the study does not prove that trans women exhibit male socialization. The “male pattern of criminality” found in the 1973 to 1988 cohort group was not a claim that trans women were convicted of the same types of crime as cis men.”
You will say I can’t read, wrong, I just don’t believe what people say, I believe what they can prove. The numbers say that post transition suicide rates go up, the person who wrote it says the opposite, likely entirely motivated by fear of people like you spreading hate and disinformation.
I agree that we shouldn't be teaching gender identity until high school or college! Time to ban Barbie Dolls and Action Figures! Since those teach gender identity. We also shouldn't teach children that their female teaches are Ms. or Mrs. and their male teachers Mr. That's gender identity too!