French state schools turn away dozens of girls wearing Muslim abaya dress

Any islamic subject is a very good way to drive people attention away from other subjects. Each time the government wants to avoid to talk about a given subject they found something new to make scandals. For example, they don't have enough teachers anymore, thousands of them are needed but the most important subject that the whole country should discuss is a few hundred people wearing abayas.

Giving these girls a chance to enjoy school life without being subjected to indoctrination every minute of their lives by their parents is a good thing.

If even some of them see past the bullshit of religion and can function as normal people it will be of benefit.

This will probably lead to them being pulled out of state school and attending a Muslim school where they will truly get 100% indoctrination every second.
Yes, because turning them away is such a good way to give them a chance to enjoy school life. You know what would have been good too? Let them in the school instead of putting them in the light like this and refusing entry for some of them.

But, I suppose we have a different view of "enjoy a school life"; my vision happens in the school, yours happens in the school without some people.
- No one in France is allowed to wear religious iconography/clothing in public schools so why do you believe there should be an exemption for abayas?
Giving these girls a chance

You mean forcing them.

subjected to indoctrination

What about those who chose it of their own will because they deem it modest and don't want to be sexualized?
- Children don't really choose many things, especially the way they dress

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Okay, let's look at several arguments that have been presented here in favor of this law:

"Display of religion must be banned for a secular learning experience": Firstly, how do you even define "display of religion"? If I say "Merry Christmas", is it a display of religion? If I grow my hair out, is that display of religion? If I wear a steel bracelet, is that display of religion? Because the last two actions are actually associated with Sikhism. If I wear the Mormons' holy underwear, is that display of religion? If I say "Jesus fkin Christ" when I hear about a fascist law like this, is that banned too now? Secularism is respecting all religious classifications and allowing them to coexist. Secularism is NOT forcing everyone to look and behave as if they are in the same religious classification.
"The abaya dress isn't even French/Respect the culture of the country that you are in:"

Individuals who say this seem to have what is known as the "conventionalist" ethical framework. This framework has maaany problems. However, even if we look at this law from the point of view of this framework, it becomes unethical. The official national motto of France is "Liberty, Equality and Fraternity". This law seems to contradict all three of these principles.

It contradicts "liberty", as it literally permits the government to tell its citizens what they can and cannot wear on their body. Abayas are not even inherently religious. It is like the government banning polo t-shirts because they are "Christian".

The law contradicts "equality" as it unequally affects Muslims and Sikhs, as their religious expression involves the use of clothing more than other religions. Sure, harmful clothing must not be permitted (like the knives that Sikhs are supposed to carry according to their religion). Abayas are not harmful in any way. Hence, they do not fall into this category.

Finally, this law contradicts "fraternity", as fraternity literally means "brotherhood" in this context. "No matter how different we are, we are still brothers with a goal to work for the people of France" is what this implies. Banning something as harmless as clothing attributed to a given religion is not a sign of brotherhood.

"Just have school uniforms": Clothing is one of the most important mediums of expression for humans. All humans have their own individual identities. The goal of schools should not be to make Stormtroopers. Rather, it should be to make students better versions of themselves. Having school uniforms goes strongly against this idea. One may argue that this also goes against the idea of "liberty".
"Did you know that Abayas and Hijabs are the result of an authoritarian religion?" Firstly, no. Abayas have nothing to do with religion. Sure, it is possible that a parent(s) may force their child to wear a particular type of clothing that aligns with their religious beliefs. In that case, the school can provide support to such students. However, what if a child themself wish to wear a particular type of clothing? What's the harm in that? This argument for the ban is similar to saying "some individuals are buttfucked without their consent. Therefore, let's ban buttfucking".

I'm atheist and socialist. I'm sad to see some of my fellow socialists arguing for the ban as well. Atheists have and are presently being persecuted in many countries in the world. By supporting the persecution of other religious classifications, we are essentially doing exactly what is being done to us. There is no moral difference between us and the individuals persecuting us in this case.

How do I know abays is religious dress? Hmm yeah, so much debate here, it's really non-conclusive. We should ask some kind of Counsel about it
- Ehh... Doesn't prove this by any means. For example, a type of clothing called a "kurta" is worn by Hindus and Muslims both. In religious ceremonies in both religions, attendees usually wear it. Now, this doesn't mean that the garment suddenly is a religious garment, does it? It just is a cultural garment that is usually worn in the Indian subcontinent.
  
  Now, even if the abaya is a religious garment, the points that I mentioned above still apply. What if I started a new religion called "Religion of yellow clothes"? Let's say my religious clothes are all yellow clothes. Does France ban everyone from wearing yellow clothes now because of me?

This is BS

Let people wear what they want. If they want to wear religious clothing, let them. It’s not hurting anyone. This law, while technically applying equally to all religions is very clearly targeted at a single group that has been persecuted for this before

Giving religion safe spaces in society normalizes it. Normalizing religion does hurt people. It hurts the mind's ability to think rationally, not to mention all the intolerance that seems to come from it.
- I disagree. I’m an atheist, and we shouldn’t restrict anyone’s ability to practice their religion unless it actually harms others. This isn’t a safe space, it’s simply persecuting a single religion because the population dislikes Muslims.
  
  Religion is not an exclusively bad thing. It has done harm, but it also does have good effects.
- I'm really glad all the smug atheists came over from reddit too
It is very efficient at having people talk about it, and temporarily forget all the places missing teachers, the sad state of a lot of school buildings, the lack of recognition (and decent salary) that's been the norm for decades at this point, and actual issues regarding kids.
- The law is there to remind that no religious sign or clothe are accepted into the public system. People who disagree with it can go to the private school.
- This is exactly my problem with this. Regardless of your position on the issue it's just a diversion to get us all riled up.
You mean targeting a group that is forcing clothing?

I'll NEVER understand the need for so many non Muslim people to defend what is absolutely a disgusting sexist practice meant to degrade, humiliate and dehumanize women. Fuck so many of you loser fucking idiots and especially fuck you idiots saying shit like, "well what if they choose to be an object?" "What if they like being obedient to every whim of men?"

Freedom is non-negotiable.
Ima leave this here. Speak to opressed people as a peer, your not their parents.
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Dude the only loser here is you. Itsa fuckjng dress. It's not even like a hijab or anything it's a fucking dress, goet over yourself you utter wank stain.
- Anger issues eh?

I’m sorry... WHAT?!

France banned basically all religious symbols in public schools. This includes crosses or the Jewish kippah. It's now expanded to include the abaya dresses. Veils and headscarves were already banned.

I think it's stupid since the dress isn't necessarily religious. It's just commonly worn by Muslims. Might as well ban white buttoning down shirts at this point because that's what some christians wear, especially to church.
- I'm curious as to how they even define and abaya. Like... Other than being a loose fitting dress made of a square piece of cloth, theres not much to define it. Dresses that fit the description are also worn by "westerners."
- Nah, covering your head at all times is explicitly a religious thing.
- One one hand, it seems a little extreme, on the other hand, if they have a religious exemption to a school uniform and they are blocking religious items/clothing at school then it kinda makes sense.
  
  (Do the French do school uniforms?)
- the dress isn't necessarily religious
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaya
  
  essentially a robe-like dress, worn by some women in parts of the Muslim world
  
  It is common that the abaya is worn on special occasions, such as Mosque visits, Islamic Holiday celebrations for Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha and also during the Islamic Holy month of Ramadan
  
  I also wear a kippa on my head and a cross around my meck. But it's not necessarily religious. I just like the design. /s
  
  France is a secular country. It's probably hard to understand for you free people of freedomland, but ALL signs of religion are banned from public institutions.

Set against the 12 million school boys and girls who started term on Monday, the government believes the figures show that its ban has been broadly accepted.

Lol the target was like 300 girls tp start with. What a pitiful way to call this a win.

Joke is on them, my religion forces kids to wear jeans!

Classy

Good.

Yeah, I'm not concerned by this at all TBH. I would like to see more countries fully ban them outright.