Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
flat out fucking terrorists
Always have been
FTA:
"These jurors have signed their death warrant by falsely indicting President Trump," read one post on a pro-Trump forum in response to a post including the names of jurors, which was viewed by NBC News."
What about second indictment, Pip?
I mean, honestly, the FBI or relevant SBI needs to go dig these losers out of their trailer park and throw the book at them. We cannot tolerate traitors and fascists. These people are just begging for the FO stage.
Even just intimidating jurors is bad enough. Juries are the only thing keeping the courts from running roughshod through democracy is they chose to.
I'm sure after a year and a half Garland will allow the FBI to think about taking a look.
How did they even get this information? Shouldn’t this be pretty closely guarded? I assume there are maybe a few dozen people with their hands on it…
Great way to prove your guy is innocent. Imagine if a democrat would have released this information about pending case against Biden or Obama. Republicans vilified the email lady just for being a woman.
I understand you guys are frustrated by Republican hypocrisy but it is literally designed into/a selling point of conservatism.
Wilhoit's Law:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
That’s very interesting, I had never heard of it. Thanks!
Edit: looked into it more; here is an article about it that includes an interview with Wilhoit himself. This is the actual site where the comment with the quote was made (scroll down some in the comments section).
The actual comment in its entirety (very impressive comment section on that site tbh…high quality):
Frank Wilhoit 03.22.18 at 12:09 am
There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.
There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the political analogue of Gresham’s Law, conservatism has driven every other idea out of circulation.
There might be, and should be, anti-conservatism; but it does not yet exist. What would it be? In order to answer that question, it is necessary and sufficient to characterize conservatism. Fortunately, this can be done very concisely.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.
For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.
As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.
So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.
No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:
The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Violence that results from citizens being doxxed for engaging with their civic duties should carry harsh mandatory minimum sentences. This is not the same as "protesting" against government officials. They are literally engaging in stochastic terrorism, and attempting to foment domestic terrorism in the process.
What the fuck is wrong with these people, and how do we deal with this in any other way than removing them from society so they cannot harm their fellow citizens.
The only way to break these people out of their echo chambers is to enact anti-cult tactics. Trying to get someone out of a cult is an extremely hard thing to do. When it's 30% of a country's citizens, however, it may be impossible. If Capitol Police testimony, video evidence, and other MAGA members speaking out couldn't break the spell, what will insulting them and their beliefs prove?
I don't have the solutions to fix this and I loathe the MAGA cult, but the harder you insult, point out hypocrisy, and humiliate these supporters, the deeper into the cult they retreat. This is seen time and time again with friends and family who attempt to help someone escape an obvious cult or religion.
I am 100% in the "punch a Nazi in the face" crowd, but what we need to do is treat these people like they have been brainwashed, rather than them making the conscious decision to support fascist rhetoric. To them, in their cult, we are the outsider trying to prosecute their leader and destroy their beliefs and way of life.
You will never out-debate them in their beliefs. You will never insult them into leaving. And treating them all like the enemy is exactly what their leaders are telling them you will think.
I'm not saying every MAGA member is possible of redemption, but the most success we may find, to remove this fascist rot is with those who were deep in and have found their way out. The call to leave needs to come from "inside the house," so to speak.
I'm too tired to respond to this fully right now, but I will try to do so later. For now, I will just say that I agree with your general premise, and the few things I have a slight disagreement with may not be important enough to quibble over unless you care for a formal explanation. Also, thanks for your well thought out response.
It's refreshing to see someone put into more articulate words what I've been feeling for so long. You cannot fight these people out of their delusions. My fear is that the next time they lose an election, they'll all just take their ball and go home, so to speak. Fracturing the country and creating one or several new nations run by despots and increasingly impoverished as the years go on. I really hope I'm not stuck living in or adjacent to an American North Korea in 30 years, but that's how things are looking.
What the fuck.
We know the names of the terrorists that have done it. Track them down, arrest them, 10+ years un prison.
Ruin their shitty little lives.
Make an exapmle out of them.
Or at the very least, doxx them too
Literally terrorists.
When Randall fucking Flagg calls someone a terrorist you know they're bad!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
ATLANTA — The purported names and addresses of members of the grand jury that indicted Donald Trump and 18 of his co-defendants on state racketeering charges this week have been posted on a fringe website that often features violent rhetoric, NBC News has learned.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis faced racist threats ahead of the return of the indictment and additional security measures were put in place, with some employees being allowed to work from home.
The grand juror's purported addresses were spotted by Advance Democracy, Inc., a non-partisan research group founded by Daniel J. Jones, a former FBI investigator and staffer for the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
“It’s becoming all too commonplace to see everyday citizens performing necessary functions for our democracy being targeted with violent threats by Trump-supporting extremists," Jones said.
Advance Democracy also noted that users were posting on other social media sites the names and images of people believed to have been grand jurors.
— Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were "using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur" in posts online.
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Those people need special protection now. Holy fuck this is bad.
They've already performed their duty. Silly boys can't even stochastic terrorism right.
I guess this is what the bloviating one was talking about when he twatted "if you come for me i'll come for you."
Little slow on the draw there, gordito.
"Post names and addresses of jurors" is a really wordy way of saying "terrorism". Because that's what this is. Someone, or a small group, is trying to use fear to affect the decision making of our society.
That is textbook terrorism.
We need to start calling this shit what it is.
Morons probably don't even know how to use a VPN, so they're gonna get caught and fucked and Trump won't care.
The U.S. version of al-Qaeda sleeper cells.
They are cowards after all. It's time we start hunting MAGA boomers and beating them in the streets.
...beating them in the ballot booth.
That's what you meant, right?
I mean... I agree violence isn't the answer, but neither is the ballot booth. We did that in 2020 and it changed absolutely nothing about them.
I kinda think they're a lost cause as far as external influence. They need to "find the plot" again on their own because to them everything that confronts their beliefs are just "communist lies. Fake news. Liberal blah blah blah..."
We are all Domestic Terrorists
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