This is how most protests or strikes go in real life too.
When a protest negatively affects someone, it is the fault of the one(s) who directly caused the effect, rather than those that caused people to protest in the first place.
If you think broad enough, you can see the parallels to things like public transport strikes or other forms of protest.
"This thing does not affect me directly, so clearly its everyone else who is overreacting."
Except it literally does affect them, they're literally the ones throwing tantrums and whining about how mods and others ruined the subs, without a hint of irony.
Lol I'm sorry but these people are idiots. Who shills for rich corporations and lives a happy life?
IDK man, I want to understand them but I can't.
Just looked at some of those accounts and they're less than 2 years old. My guess is, they never used anything other than the official app so to them, nothing will change. Honestly, let reddit keep those users. I'd rather have a conversation with someone who doesn't have the attention span of a TikTok user.
Omg me too. I know they are just human, and are susceptible to the same crap logic I am, but I can't put myself there. My only thought, is that they just don't know. The more you know, the harder you have to work, to maintain some kind of engagement in your life to feed the monster you created in your head. These people are fine floating, and tbh, I envy them AND pity them simultaneously.
richcorporationsReddit never has made a profit. So... they're not rich.
I'm not sure that shilling for a poor corporation makes things much better though.
Lol. They feel very strongly.
I'm pretty sure they did. Years before they used to disclose how many server uptime hours were paid for by Reddit gold. Nowadays they hide all that info so they are no longer accountable.
These type of people can stay on Reddit for all I care. Just like how all the racist conspiracy boomers stayed on Facebook and similar things happen with Twitter right now as well.
And you thought those websites couldn't get worse LMAO.
The sad reality is most normal people are like this...
The number one greatest argument against democracy
Lol, gone full time Lemmy now. I do not miss Reddit! Let them have the Reddit they want. The corpo Reddit under spez, the kind of guy who doesn't care about the user, just the bags of money he sleeps on at night.
It is so cringe to defend CEOs.
I'm just glad this type of people will remain on reddit, don't try to convince them to come here lol. Let them stay in that shitty place, it's perfect for shitty people
TIL: You can have an animated profile
TIL too
Like it or not in order for a site to grow you have to take in normies.
Endless growth for the sake of growth is not the goal.
That's gotta be bots influencing those votes, right? Like damn
That's the only outcome I'd accept.
I probably wouldn't trust any vote counts on Reddit about this subject.
Yeah, besides, most of us who do agree with the mods are leaving reddit behind.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.First they removed the /.compact old mobile view, I did not speak out since I had already moved on to using RiF.
3 months later...
Once the heat dies down, they'll be coming for RES and the old. desktop view.
Thing is I think it is those used to old Reddit are leaving. Those staying are those that joined after "new" Reddit and it is all they know. Old redditors are probably not profitable as they remember the wild west internet. New Reddit only know the corporate net and are easier to market to
Let the bootlickers stay behind. Let them delight in the milquetoast conservative snore-fest of mediocrity that waits them. Let them turn Reddit into Quora. Fuck 'em all.
Was Quora cool before?
If by cool you mean hogging all the Google results and hiding the info behind login walls, yeah they were always cool.
Oof seeing this just makes me miss Sync for Reddit... Ljdawson, if you read this, Sync for Lemmy pls
Don’t feel to bad, %99 of reddit is bots pushing an agenda especially when u/spez bank feels a little light
I'm finding Jerboa is close enough to scratch that Sync itch, although there's room for improvement of course, it's still early so things will likely get better with time
You might be interested in this: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsync/comments/14e7ikp/_/
Damn I want paying attention and you got me with that link! I haven't been on reddit for a week!
Well then they will dwell in that corporate cesspool. I very much enjoy alternative and even it sparked my interest of free software as a whole because guys I have enough of those huge corps meddling and plotting and sticking their ugly heads everywhere and just ruining what should be the common good really
I was shocked at the reaction of r/lotrmemes. They seem to have really gone the extra mile to mock and stop the protests.
I don't really trust anyone so deep into a fandom that their primary content consumption and creation is a fan specific meme sub. Their primary thing is engaging with that specific content, and anything that gets in the way is going to be attacked.
Just a sign of where Reddit has gone over the several years and who the main audience is.
The audience is nothing without the show. If all the decent content creators leave then they'll just be left with bullshit fake AITA posts.
As someone who has 0 modding experience on Reddit. I'm assuming the third party apps (Apollo, Rif etc.) Are the apps that mods use daily to moderate. But I don't think many people understand that and it's never said when people make this argument.
I think it's the same with accessibility but I'm not too sure. Cause Reddit said they're allowing non commercial apps which provide accessability free rein on the API (bar nsfw posts). But I think a lot of blind people use conventional third party apps which work with their phones text to speech. But I've never seen this argument made.
@Doggylife: My understanding is that third-party Reddit moderating tools tend to trend more towards more sophisticated automoderators and the like. Although that having been said, the core moderating tools on Reddit are not great even on desktop and they're abysmal on the official app.
Ah that makes sense. Thanks for the info. Am I right in saying that the moderator's are also annoyed because they use Apollo or RIF for moderating as well as it is a better experience than on the app? I know I've seen them mention a mod queue or something like that which isn't available in the official app.
Its understandable that (some) people have this view, they just want to enjoy the content they are used to.
But what I think they are missing is that there are a lot of people that put in a lot of effort in making free content to everyone else, and when a large group of the contributors are upset then this user's "free content" gets worse.
As a user you just have to accept that everyone will not have the same view as you and move on to another place where you can look at funny pictures or whatever.I mean the funny thing to me is that this guy is just an idiot. This is r/piracy we're talking about, they're pirates. A decentralized and low-key forum like this is exactly where they should want to be, not on one of the world's five biggest websites just posting freely on main.
Bot downvotes. I used to get them all the time whenever I called out T-shirt scammers in my main sub. Those comments had up to ~50 downvotes SECONDS after posting them, absolutely no chance that real people were involved in the process.
They do that to discourage users from talking back. It works on most redditors that actually care for Karma or don't realize that they just triggered a bot response and think the backslash is real.
PS/EDIT: ...also, the scammers usually had a couple of spare alt accounts interacting with their main post, trying to create the illusion that a bunch of people are defending the OP when in reality there is only a single guy behind the scam. I wouldn't be surprised if something simlar happened here.
Brands and corporations provide consumers with something they want and in return the consumers give the brand total loyalty and devotion. It doesn't matter if the brand engages in anticompetitive practices, it doesn't matter if the brand engages in predatory practices, it doesn't matter if the brand is actively harming the consumer, so long as the consumer is being provided with something they desire. It's gotten so bad that many brands have a cult like following.
I meant to ask, why do I get the feeling there is some concentrated effort to try to downplay those people trying to protest?
I see some of the threads on the subs doing the 'alternative protests', and some comments were downvoted massively just for joining in or showing support.They're are a large number of people that give a crap about anyone else. They use the reddit app and site and dgaf if API gets boned because it "doesn't affect them". Well, this affects them, and they're pissed because they see it as other reditors that caused it.
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
It's odd, most subs I frequented had votes to go dark, so majority supported the decision, wonder if it's now the folks that remain are the minority that voted against the blackouts
My guess: a contrarian attitude. Though do not underestimate the effect of concentrated, sheer selfishness. They can't get to see content that they used to, and despite not creating it themselves, or doing ANYTHING other than consuming it, they feel entitled to access it, as if it were "theirs". So if a user chooses to delete their own, personal content, then you should consider "their" feelings (the whiners I mean, over & above that of the content creator). In short, you are thinking of their responses as containing "logic", and attempting to rationally process it as such, but it is not! Instead it is emotional, venting language. It's similar to the "she's asking for it" thinking - in that NO SHE'S DEFINITELY NOT, but that doesn't matter to the person saying that...
Also, the person offering it could legit & literally be an actual child, but whether that's true physically or merely emotionally, it helps if you think of it that way.
I should add that some subs - probably very few but I don't know the details - have legit complaints lobbied against them: like they did a poll, the VAST majority of their users said no, the mod team also unanimously said NO among respondents, but then a senior mod popped in and YES blacked out the entire sub anyway. So the truth is sometimes complicated by nuances like that. I've heard justification types of excuses blowing such real events out of proportion as if that is the only type of scenario that ever occurs. (Though again, for those with a... loose affiliation with facts, such details are only tools to bludgeon your opponents with, rather than food for thoughtful consideration. It is entirely up to you to not be swayed by thus though - they aren't offering to not make such comments in the first place, so you have to choose how you will deal with them.)
They can’t get to see content that they used to, and despite not creating it themselves, or doing ANYTHING other than consuming it, they feel entitled to access it, as if it were “theirs”.
I completely agree with you.
I was a mod on an advice sub (that I recreated over here), and people would message modmail after posting and say "why is no one commenting on my post". Like, you aren't entitled to free advice, you're asking for it. But people would get legitimately angry whenever they wouldn't get any advice, or if the advice they got wasn't what they were looking for.
The thing that made me the most angry were the people who would delete their post after getting advice. Like people wrote comments for everyone to read, not just for you, and then you go and defacto make those comments private?
I fully believe that audience of people does not understand that they aren't the center of the universe and that there are actual people on the other end of comments...
yeah, one forum I frequented has some people focusing on some bad action from some mods, even tho in the grand scheme it's a nothingburger
Not surprised. It's like going to Facebook and spreading information about how vaccines save lives. You will be downvoted to hell lol.
Any decent person has already left Reddit or still there observing the shitshow. Those who tries to comment (and defend Reddit) are literally the remaining idiots. They probably also have Facebook and spend another 50% time there arguing about "Biden bad Trump good".
Nope, this doesn't surprise me anymore.
A good percentage of people don't stop at merely licking the boot, but actually deepthroat the entire leg.
I’m baffled as to how anyone would believe any of the public assurances Reddit has made at this point. No one has the ability to hold them accountable to any of their promises so they’ll just quietly never implement them.
I'm sure a solid portion of those "Heil Spez" posts over in r/shitpost aren't posting ironically.
There seems to be a portion of people who just take contrarian positions on any topic, and those same people seem to be the ones that irony and satire are wasted on, you can probably guess as to what other types of groups those people belong to.
Some people are annoyed that mods took their dopamine away while protesting reddit.
is withdrawal syndrome.
So this BS attitude has a name!
The admins and many of the users take volunteer labor for granted on the site.
It is so unfair that the mod do this to us /s grow up LMAO.
This is actually good for the internet as a whole. The only people left on reddit are going to be scum. It will be like Australia when Britain used to send its worst criminals there lol. Everyone besides them is leaving reddit to make the same communities elsewhere without these types of people ruining the mood.
Reddit has become so toxic over the last couple of years, I have yet to see that level of toxicity on these other sites even with the great migration, but maybe I haven't been around long enough.
I wonder where do these people come from? The subs I frequented did ask whether they should participate in the blackout. People are either indifferent or are supportive of it. No outright hostility or bootlicking the Reddit admins.
Not too sound elitist but I'm sure these are newer Reddit users who are unaware 3rd party apps were the only way to browse Reddit on mobile before the official came out in ~2016.
Or maybe they're so deprived of their precious content that they began to lash out at the very people who helped their favourite subs not turn into crap.
At this point it is hard to me to detect if these are just bots or trolls.
This shit right here is why I don't want to see votes on Jerboa. Bloody depressing.
What do you mean? They are working fine for me.
Tbh up and downvoting are an important part of what makes reddit, and its alternatives what they are.
I don't want to remove them from others. Keep your experience as you want it. I only want to disable them for me. Jerboa even has an option to disable scores but it's not working (for now?).
I can definitely get annoyed by how black and white everything always has to be on the internet.
Can I be upset that Reddit is killing my 3rd party app? Absolutely Can I also realise that Reddit is not a charity and that in this economy, they are no longer going to subsidize 3rd party app developers? Absolutely
Like, I left Reddit because I think their official app sucks balls. I had a 3rd party app I loved. I'm upset. But it's also weird to see Meta, Alphabet, Spotify, Amazon, etc. lay off their staff and at the same time expect Reddit to willingly hand their content over for free to 3rd party apps.
I'm upset but I'm not naïve.
There is a middle ground between "free" and "prohibitively expensive". Reddit did not choose it. This was about killing the apps that their users preferred.
Yeah, but their content relies on so much unpaid labor. The other big sites have paid mods. This has essentially become a labor dispute.
I'm sorry. I'm here and done with Reddit too, but it's not a public service. They're well within their rights to do this and even more anti user stuff, which they will, but that's not immoral or against the law.
This is why we have laws against Monopoly. All these people thinking there should be laws and rules for how businesses should steward their free user base is pretty wild to me.
Public services are run by the public for the public good (ha -- supposed to be) and businesses make money. Reddit isn't PBS or your local library and would you really even want that?
We just did this with Facebook exodus right? "You mean _we're _ the product????"
The problem is when private services invite and lure people in by emulating public places of speech and then start exploiting them. What they did and keep doing is wrong, underhanded and you shouldn't defend their privilege to exist.
Yeah -- You just leave though, not try to eradicate 'their privilege to exist'
