Nobody asked to be born into this capitalist hellscape you cunt
Why stop there?
Bro you haven't even started there
Yeah dude that's basically the idea
Uh yes. So little self-awareness here.
Yes to all but a right to a job. People shouldn’t have jobs. It’s not natural.
Humans find jobs for themselves and their community all the time, but not fucking bullshit jobs like data entry technician or call center technician.
I fucking hate cleaning, but I will happily help a friend or family member clean their house or their apartment because we thrive in a community.
Not getting the humanity squeezed out of us for a few cents more.
Those are chores, and caring for your loved ones. They are not "jobs."
Neither is the Internet or the computer you are using, or the highly developed efficient language you are speaking, nor the clothes on your back, the medical care you've received, the worldwide logistics that enable you to have a nice miso soup, or maybe a slice of cheese every once in a while, or even the engineering, math, and, science that allow anything and everything to exist in our world, yet people throughout history have worked very hard to make those things for you.
If you don't want to contribute back, that's totally fine, just know that the rest of humanity is working hard to keep you alive even if you don't.
Someone has to dispose of your trash, and it doesn't seem like it's gonna be you.
Do not assume I am here because I wish to be
I think it could be argued that you have a right to a "purpose". For some people that may be a job. And some may choose to not have a purpose. But no one should be denied a purpose if they want one - even if it involves goals they will never succeed at.
Either nothing humans do is natural, or everything is.
Democracy and human rights aren't natural. Capitalism isn't natural. Or they both are.
People do like to work, the caveat being that they generally don't want to work with virtually nothing to show for it. The modding community is massive, and they almost never get paid. People love to bake, or draw, or garden, or volunteer, all without fiduciary compensation.
But when people make it where they have to "get a job" to survive, the love of the labor disappears.
Costco has a low turnover rate because they’re paid a living wage. Hell, even (ugh) Chick-fil-A pays their teenage employees decently.
I agree that most people absolutely want to work; the two most important factors are choice of labor and not being treated like shit - either by compensation or other mistreatment.
Who's going to provide your food, shelter and clothing if no one is working?
Yes, if you want to live in a society, you must contribute. Even if you live in a village with no government or economic system, people have to haul water, catch fish, grow crops, make charcoal, weave baskets, 1,000 other jobs.
And to care for the people too elderly or disabled to care for themselves, you must work harder than merely providing for yourself.
Oh, were you thinking rich people could just give us money? Where do you think they get that money? Hint: It comes from our labor, which you propose shouldn't exist.
If you don't like any of that, go homestead. Dick Proenneke left for Alaska in his 50s, single-handedly built a nice cabin and lived there alone for 30 years.
Ol' Dick didn't have a filthy job, unless you count survival. If a middle-aged man can do it with 60s tech and gumption, so can you!
Who’s going to provide your food, shelter and clothing if no one is working?
It's amazing humans were able to build civilization without anyone providing food, shelter, or clothing. We're so lucky we evolved on a planet full of microwave TV dinners and polyester pant suits and ranch homes with durable vinyl siding.
If you don’t like any of that, go homestead.
That's the plan.
Do they owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
OF COURSE THEY FUCKING DO.
Selfawarewolf big time.
Unpopular opinion, when you make someone else's labour a right you make that person a slave.
insofar as rights exist at all the very top of that list is the right to be left the fuck alone.
There is a fallacy here. You are not making a specific person's labour a right, but making a type of labour a right. That labour can be provided by many people, each of whom could theoretically have the right to refuse. That labour being a right means that there is some mechanism that ensures a person gets it. E.g., right to an attorney.
Also, many many existing rights require other people's labours. The right to a fair trial in the US would require a judge, a lawyer, and 12 members of a jury.
so what happens when everyone has the right to refuse you and does?
what does the right to anything mean if it can be denied?
A right isn't something others force you to do. It's something that can't be taken from you.
based
Downvote.
Here's where that gets dirty: Does JimBobby that can't hold down a job because he is 1: lazy and 2: an alcoholic, deserve a job where he isn't going to work when he does show up? If enough people do that the system collapses because we are required to work to keep the system going. NOW! Contrary to popular beliefs the entire class of poor people are not JimBobby's, they are hard working, reliable, and will put in a good days work. So a system where the gains of our efforts, the fruits of our labors, the returns on the investments we create with our labor isn't untenable. HOWEVER, the 1% are waiting in the shadows with legions of JimBobby's to release onto every news channel talking "I ain't never gonna put in a hard days work, society does it for me..." So a system that incorporates slackers as a known condition for a small portion of the population, just the same as gold hording dragons seems to be a stage of existence for a small portion of the population. Then we might be able to wrangle a new type of social system that incorporates fixes for the failures we will definitely encounter that leads back to this Oligarchy bullshit. On a side note: To be clear, when I say the 1%, I don't mean in your neighborhood, we celebrate when our own does well. I don't necessarily mean in your city, a rising tide floats all boats even in a big city. I mean the people that statistically are in the top 1% for the entire planet for assets, not just liquid cash. All assets. Your uncle that worked for a good union and retired with almost a million in their retirement fund, even tho oddly voting for Donald Trump despite a union providing his good pay, isn't even close to being in the top 1%, globally speaking probably not even in the top 50% even with all that insane poverty out there. The 1% have more money than anyone anywhere, they are a problem that requires a fix, it will not fix itself.
You’re right - it’s the same bullshit as the argument against welfare, food stamps, disability or any other social safety net: “BuT sOmEoNe WiLl AbUsE iT!!1!”
So? I’d rather have two people “fake” needing help so the other two thousand can get access to the care I need. I’d rather my taxes and labor feed EVERYBODY, than starve so many to spite a fucking strawman.
The anti-social selfish fuckery of sociopath billionaires and those who aspire to be like them piss me off to no end. If everyone shares abundance, nobody goes without, and things don’t need to be jealously protected when douchebags aren’t hoarding resources. One person “mooching” and spending their money back into society is waaay different than siphoning.
Right with ya! (But break thoughts into paragraphs to ease digestion.)
I'd argue this though, you're way off comparing against the entire world.
Just took a shit-paying job. My wife and I put together are in the top 4% worldwide at $70,000.
When I was working my last IT job, we were in the 1.4% at a total income of $115,000.
https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/how-rich-am-i
Did I miss your point somehow?
