Delusional techie is very scared of Chinese Deepseek
Delusional techie is very scared of Chinese Deepseek
This guy is very very scared of Deepseek and all the potential malicious things it will do, seemingly due to the fact that it's Chinese. As soon as the comments point out that ChatGPT is probably worse, he disagrees with no reasoning.
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DeepSeek as a Trojan Horse Threat.
DeepSeek, a Chinese-developed Al model, is rapidly being installed into productive software systems worldwide. Its capabilities are impressive-hyper-advanced data analysis, seamless integration, and an almost laughably low price. But here's the problem: nothing this cheap comes without a hidden agenda.
What's the real cost of DeepSeek?
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Suspiciously Cheap Advanced models like DeepSeek aren't "side projects." They take massive investments, resources, and expertise to develop. If it's being offered at a fraction of its value, ask yourself-who's really paying for it?
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Backdoors Everywhere DeepSeek's origin raises alarm bells. The more systems it infiltrates, the more it becomes a potential vector for mass compromise. Think backdoors, data exfiltration, and remote access at scale-hidden vulnerabilities deliberately built in.
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Wide Adoption = Global Risk From finance to healthcare, DeepSeek is being installed across critical systems at an alarming rate. If adoption continues unchecked, 80% of our systems could soon be compromised.
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The Trojan Horse Effect DeepSeek is a textbook example of a Trojan horse strategy: lure organizations with a cheap, powerful tool, infiltrate their systems, and quietly map or control them. Once embedded, reversing the damage will be nearly impossible.
The Fairytale lsn't Real
The story of DeepSeek being a "low-cost, side project" is just that-a fairytale. Technology like this isn't developed without strategic motives. In the world of cyber warfare, cheap tools often come at the highest cost.
What Can We Do?
Audit your systems: Is DeepSeek already embedded in your critical infrastructure?
Ask the hard questions: Why is this so cheap? Where's the transparency?
Take immediate action: Limit adoption before it's too late. The price may look attractive, but the real cost could be our collective security.
Don't fall for the fairytale.
"Suspiciously cheap"
Tell that to every writer who took decades honing their craft, just for western AI to come in and hoover it all up and sell it in a monthly subscription.
Fucking jackass.
Can't you run it locally because it's open source? Like yeah, don't implement software running on servers you don't control, duh! Same thing is true with ChatGPT, with the exception that you cannot run that yourself, so Deepseek is actually safer for companies. All these products that just send requests to Open AI servers are stupid anyways. They are working closely with a fascist government now, you really want your personal data to go through them?
It is not open source. It just has its weights published. Both the source code and the training data are as closed source as OpenAI's.
Yes, you can run it locally. I just got done setting up a version to run on my local machine, and I'm running a single 3090.
That's essentially what the comments were telling him, so at least there's some sanity.
So, basically the old anti-Linux FUD with some anti-China sentiment sprinkled on top?
I guarantee you it hasn't been embedded into much of anything yet what are they even talking about. I still get questions daily by people in a similar job role to him that are like "how can we use AI, we're behind everyone else!" Except it is everyone is saying it, how can everyone be behind everyone?
The whole thing reads like it's written by whatever LLM Linkedin provides
This supposed Chief Technology Officer appears to understand very little about how Technology actually works.
Someone is afraid of getting asked why they wasted so much money on AI.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”
The CTO at my last job was pulling down millions a year despite barely knowing anything about anything, and being little more than a glorified bully. He got there via project management, after all.
This is answered as a Scandinavian.
One of the biggest issues I see with Deepseek and really any AI is that people feed it with sensitive data. Deepseek is probably not a big issue as long as people don't share sensitive data about other people.
People find a tool that make them more effective, then they use it at work and insert data that should not be shared unfortunately.
The risk is also there for ChatGPT and Claude. The difference is that they are not a company from a country that is considered adversarial by my government.
USA is not perfect, far from it, and we KNOW from the Snowden leaks that they can't be trusted. Yet, they are allies and can thus by extension be more trusted, than a country that has laws that force cooperation by companies and people worldwide.
As a European I prefer that my data is leaked to the USA over China. But I trust neither with it.
I might be wrong, and would like to learn that I am wrong. So feel free to try to convince me otherwise.
Recommended reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersecurity_Law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China
At this point I can't say I trust my data with the US more than China tbh. China isn't threatening to attack Europe, and Chinese companies are not actively bribing EU governments for months, and interfering with elections.
But anyway, all this FUD always forgets to mention that you can also just host your own uncensored, unmonitored Deepseek model if you work with sensitive information.
China is actively fighting a trade war with the EU. That is why the EU is increasing import tax on things like chinese EVs because they are sold way below their value to try to break the EU EV market.
Look, I'm Scandinavian as well, and I kinda agree with you to some point, at least historically. Although I have some serious trust issues with the US given, well *gestures broadly at everything*.
With that said, I find it quite delusional that this guy dreams up all these fearmongering scenarios, many of which I'm not even sure are technically feasible, while completely dismissing any criticism of OpenAI or similar US based companies. To him China=100% evil and out to get ya, US=0% evil and out to get ya. And this sort of view of the world is just so detached from reality.
Yes, his views of the world is not correct imo. I just saw an opportunity to talk about LLMs and privacy and took it
Anything you give to a us company gets shared with 850 other companies who knows from there.
In China at least it's just the chine government
Not that these concerns aren't real necessarily but they certainly aren't unique to DeepSeek. The real win is in propaganda, if you have a very capable and cheap model you can get everyone using you can push the party lines in sensitive issues much more effectively beyond your borders. I don't think DeepSeek is a good tool for that yet because it just refuses to discuss those issues but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the direction they take with future models.
Still, the fact that it's heavily censored when it comes to sensitive CCP issues makes it a no from me.
Lol China is shit but not everything from China is a Communist party psyop
Also you can run it locally which eliminates all concerns.
Not all, they likely still embed some pro-CCP nonsense in the model. It's unlikely to be a security issue to your machine, but it could alter public perception, which could be in China's interests.
Whether that's an actual problem that needs action is another issue. I don't know about you, but my intended use-cases have very little risk of indoctrination (e.g. code analysis and generation).
ROFL He's sweating so much because DeepSeek is proving their little money making scam shouldn't be as expensive and resource intensive as it is! So he's out here trying to shame DeepSeek, which will make investors ask a lot of hard questions and retract funding for their AI Lie. If DeepSeek could burst the bubble of American Made LLM Models, I'd be tickled pink. I'd naturally never use it as LLMs are really only good for spellchecking and grammar in my opinion (never should've strayed further than that without proper research and developing a true code of ethics that wouldn't be overstepped constantly).
I love how much this C-Suite shitbag is maulding at the moment!
nah LLMs have uses. as a chef I can plug in ingredients and it will generate me good combinations that can help inspire. for d&d it can help stitch a few spaces I didn't think of. It's good as a sounding board for my creativity
I like the idea of it being used to help me find documents or Web articles like how perplexity does it. Even if the AI is wrong the article is real and tangible. Something like that to help find articles in a local knowledge base for IT teams, D&D campaigns, etc would be awesome!
My theory on how Deepseek managed to beat out ChatGPT: All LLMs do is that they try to guess what the next token is, based on statistics. Making the statistics more precise requires exponentially more training data and weights. You can see that if you compare model sizes, they tend to double for the next level of model.
So, as a consequence, you can build a model half as big, and only sacrifice a fraction of the performance.
They didn't learn from tik tok users moving to rednote
If it comes from China, I don't trust it.
You shouldn’t really be trusting OpenAI any more, though.
You trusted it to begin with?
Who said I use ANY Abominable Intelligence?
Neither do I, but I'll still use it if it saves me time even with verifying its results.
I do not buy that USA sh#t about China anymore. USA is fascist nationalist country that yesterday publicly started setting up a concentration camp in Guantanamo. I do not trust any of those big companies that were present at their Fuhrer's inauguration, and that includes OpenAI. F*CK the USA, let China in!
wasn't it USA that was spying even on their closest allies?
there was an expression about this… tip of my tongue: ___ ___ pot ___ call ___
The five eyes group all have rules against spying on their own citizens. So they each spy on each other for each other
ah! thanks 🦆🦆go:
the pot calling the kettle black
USA is fascist nationalist country
That's not even close to true. Certain elements within the US may fit that description, but it hardly describes the government, and is a much better description for the CCP.
yesterday publicly started setting up a concentration camp in Guantanamo
It's been there for decades. Did you miss the entire "War on Terror"?
let China in!
Finally something we agree on. Instead of tariffs and whatnot, we should just produce better products. AI should be all about getting better productivity from your populace, bridging the wage gap w/ countries like China that can afford to pay similarly qualified people much less. If Chinese EVs are cheaper than American EVs and meet our safety standards, let's buy them. If Chinese LLMs are cheaper than American LLMs and similar quality, let's use them! Source the best products from wherever they're produced, and if China wants to subsidize it, let them. But don't go all-in on any one source, because you don't want to get locked in.
I have absolutely no idea (that's not true, I think I fully understand Trump's narcissistic reasons for things) why Trump seems intent on bringing low-paying jobs back to the US, outside a handful of important industries where supply chain disruption could pose a legitimate national security risk, but those problems can be solved by the US government agreeing to source parts domestically despite them costing more to ensure we always have the capacity we need. I think it's just him trying to appeal to blue collar workers, instead of investing in helping them get better jobs.
yesterday publicly started setting up a concentration camp in Guantanamo
It’s been there for decades. Did you miss the entire “War on Terror”?
You have obviously not been following the news. Or are you like that crazy president they elected who equals illegal immigrants with terrorists?
US President Donald Trump has ordered the construction of a migrant detention facility in Guantanamo Bay which he said would hold as many as 30,000 people. He said the facility at the US Navy base in Cuba, which would be separate from its high-security military prison, would house "the worst criminal illegal aliens threatening the American people".