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No mebtion of space communism? The federation is Marxist
The Federation is not Marxist, communist, or socialist. These economic systems rely on a monetary framework where scarcity dictates value. In the Star Trek universe, scarcity has been eliminated on Earth. There is no energy crisis, no poverty, and no starvation. Transportation is instantaneous, and every individual's basic needs are met. With no financial struggle, humanity is no longer constrained by the pursuit of wealth. The Federation is not built on enforced equality but on a shared enlightenment. With abundant resources, every person enjoys a high standard of living.
What? No. Marxism notes that scarcity wouldn't be a thing with increasing industrialization. Indeed, it isn't; we have plenty of resources to put a roof over everyone's head and food in their belly. The base of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs can be completely covered, and the rest are not necessarily best fulfilled by mere material possessions. We could have the whole thing done in a year if society simply made the choice.
Now, I don't think the Federation is Marxist, because we actually know very little about how the economy works at all. There's contradictory information, it might depend on what time period or planet you're talking about, and the writers have generally been uninterested in exploring the economy beyond superficial mentions.
No. You're just wrong and in every aspect.
Please refer to my responses further down in this thread.
When you are in post scarcity and everyone has everything they need and everyone works together ina government for mutual benefit that's Marxist communism.
No it's not. (I have to be honest with you. You clearly have no clue what Marxism or communism is and yet you make a declarative statement that holds no water at all; why?)
While the Star Trek universe presents a post-scarcity society where money is largely obsolete and resources are distributed based on need, it diverges significantly from Karl Marx’s vision of communism. Marxist communism is fundamentally rooted in class struggle, revolution, and the eventual withering away of the state. The Star Trek Federation, however, remains highly structured, hierarchical, and governed by an institutionalized bureaucracy, notably Starfleet.
Moreover, technological advancements such as replicators eliminate material scarcity, a condition Marx never accounted for in his theories. Instead of a classless, stateless society emerging from historical struggle, Star Trek depicts a future where economic necessity is bypassed through technology, and individuals contribute based on personal fulfillment rather than class-driven labor dynamics.
a future where economic necessity is bypassed through technology, and individuals contribute based on personal fulfillment rather than class-driven labor dynamics.
Yeah, however not all higher Maslows can be replicated, so obviously a fair bit of (popular or bureaucratic) meritocracy is incorporated into the redistribution and/or accesses to finite resources.
(But the main point is that if individuals have the option to pursue personal fulfilment that is a huge net plus for the society & everyone can get more out of their life & life within that society - imagine only having people in the food industry that fully enjoy the work or the huge selection of artists not pre-smothered by the daily grind for basic human needs.)
As you said, much data is missing, but I assume if I wanted a nicer office or an apparent with a better view I could get to it via contributing something of merit to society (eg a successful career, notable art contributions, maybe some hero stuff, etc).
How come the Picard real estates remained in the family though all those generations, I can't fully explain. Tho there basically was a revolution (a world war, but same diff) that facilitated initial systematic changes (I assume a much decimated/irrelevant previously-elite class).
How come the Picard real estates remained in the family though all those generations, I can’t fully explain.
Doyalist answer: the writers laid out shipboard EPS conduits more thoughtfully than the Federation economy.
Marx never considered replicators much like he never considered sorcery as an option because he worked within the framework of the reality of his time. He was engaging in practical philosophy not fantasy which is why you see the focus on a class struggle as in his time.
The federation has no money and everyone has what they need according to their needs how isn’t that Marx’ ideal? If you could achieve socialism without revolution IRL he would have backed that but in reality you cannot hope for the privileged to give up their power.
I don’t think you should be declaring your assessments of people’s understanding if things given you are factually incorrect in this case and you are not in any way telepathic.
I literally stated how it's not Marxist... I'm pretty sure that I even proved it in my statement originally.
Marxist communism envisions a classless, stateless society where the means of production are communally owned. Post-scarcity could theoretically contribute to this, but Marxist thought emphasizes the historical process of class struggle and the eventual dissolution of the state. If a government still exists in your scenario, it may not fully align with Marx's final stage of communism, which predicts the state "withering away."
How do you read this and go no it is Marxist I'm right.
Again this is because Marx was concerned with reality. Science Fiction wasn’t even a genre to speak of in his lifetime. He might have considered non-violent tech driven communism had that been remotely conceivable at the time but during his time electrical power was rare.
Marx was a huge influence on Roddenberry’s views of The Federation.
just a quick gpt query. So no... He wasn't.
While Star Trek reflects some Marxist themes—such as the abolition of poverty, class struggle, and money—there is no direct evidence that Karl Marx was a foundational inspiration for Gene Roddenberry. Roddenberry was more influenced by mid-20th-century liberal humanism, secular progressivism, and the optimism of the Space Age rather than Marxist theory.
The Federation’s post-scarcity economy resembles aspects of Marxist thought, but it arrives there not through revolution or class conflict but via technological advancement and social evolution. Moreover, Star Trek retains hierarchical structures (e.g., Starfleet’s chain of command), which contradict Marx’s vision of a classless, stateless society.
While Marxism and Star Trek share some overlapping ideals, Roddenberry’s future is more in line with utopian socialism, liberal progressivism, and even elements of American exceptionalism rather than strict Marxist doctrine.
The article you have provided doesn't support what you're saying instead supportswhat I've been saying the whole time.
There are of course parallels to Marxism in Star Trek. Which is not something being argued right now. The contention is that the society of Star Trek on Earth is marxist which it isn't then the contention turned to rottenberry taking inspiration from Karl Marx which he didn't.
Which goes back to my original question why are you talking about stuff you know nothing about?
You win!!! Congratulations!!!! You're a big boy with big opinions that are right!
For what it's worth, I hadn't said anything in this thread so far, so I'm not sure what you mean with your last sentence. Just pasted a link that I thought was interesting, related to the topic at hand.... supporting the middle-ground position that you were asserting with your copy/pasted AI slop. Seems like you have a bias you're working hard to reinforce. Or convince yourself of.
Then you got standoffish about it for some reason. Maybe a lack of reading comprehension? Maybe not paying attention to who you're replying to? Who knows!?
You keep looking for things to be mad about, though, champ. Someday everyone will recognize you as the most smartestest and correctestest boy on earth.
I mean Sisko kind of does when he describes how the Bell riots have to take place before we unite as a planet and join the Federation
Well
End-game socialist
Real. Star trek isn't woke, star trek is tankie
Nah because they din’t glorify authoritarian violence
Violence against the Borg is to be celebrated isn't it?
That’s violence against authoritarians
Which is the only violence tankies celebrate: killing Nazis and hanging landlords and capitalist owners