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God, you liberals are disgusting scum. MLK was right about you, you are the greatest threat to justice.
I’m think you’re missing the point.
You face three choices:
- Most death and harm, 50% chance of happening
- Less death and harm, 50% chance of happening
- Principled choice for no death and harm, but that practically makes choice 1 more likely to happen because it has 0 chance of happening.
Choosing choice 3 is equivalent to choosing choice 1 because you’re contributing to choice 1 happening practically.
Choosing choice 3 is directly creating more death and harm than choosing choice 2 and in that way is morally worse.
Rather than being sanctimonious why not give some actionable advice.
Ok, how about this. The way you’ve been doing things? Don’t do that.
Typical, always there to tell people how it should be, completely detached from consequences
Yes, that’s typically how democrats are, but this time I think you’re gonna experience them with us. You’ll finally get a taste of that solidarity you’re always going on about from the comfort of your couch. See you on the protest line, comrade.
Kinda low bar to clear. The fact she didn't screwed her.
Don't have to be perfect, just good enough, and she couldn't even do that.
Imagine unironically making this meme. I envy the history students in 2138 who get to study this crap and scratch their heads
The History students of the Future will watch all those who sat by as complicit in the rise of an authoritarian racist President in the USA
The history is already set. The dems ran a mediocre campaign after the sitting president flubbed a debate and lied about his physical ailments. It was a campaign so out of touch with voters that they lost the entire government.
How cute to think this is the first authoritarian racist president. You should check out the rest of USA history sometime.
I'm pretty sure the anti-genocide people were the ones violently confronting Nazis four years ago while the Democratic mainstream said that wasnt the right way to do things.
Probably lots of overlap with the people who blockaded and flooded airports and courts to stop the Muslim ban.
Probably closely related to the people who put their bodies on the line and blockaded ICE detention facilities.
I'd bet they were involved in organizing the BLM protests too.
Nah, man.
The real Antifa are the ones brunching and quietly judging while they sip their mimosas.
quietly?
Fair point.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
MLKJ, "Letter from Birmingham Jail"
You remind me of the MAGoos who only quote Martin's line about judging people on the character and not the color of their skin. Using that letter ignores the fact that the letter was written before the Liberals passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Harris lost and Trump is getting ready to nuke Gaza. Maybe it's time for you to reassess your plans.
You mean the voting rights act that was gutted by the supreme court while liberals just watched?
Did they expand the supreme court? pass ethics legislation? add term limits? use the same dirty tactics the Republicans use? censure Synema and Manchin for being republicans?
They sure didn't. But the Republicans sure made sure Liz Cheney knew she wasn't welcome in the party anymore.
Seeing how this is the 2nd time in a decade that moderate liberals have lost an election due to their lack of widespread support, maybe it's time to reconsider their appeal to the increasingly hypothetical "average" American and listen to the base.
I'm arguing that we should be working in and with working class communities to tangibly improve their material conditions and you're comparing me to a MAGA?
That's some weird dissonance.
Those 20 million people who sat by were democrats. But sitting by while facism rises is kinda your thing, isn’t it? Too bad you can’t hand-wring your way into a better union, huh?
No, but I can get a better confederacy. Given that I come from the confederatio helvetica and not the united states, you know.
Also I'd like to know how you got to the conclusion that I, vocal and voting against fascism, am complicit in its rise?
Depend what they will write in history books...
Look at this genocide enthusiast. Nah, if the Democrats are going to support Israel unconditionally they deserve to lose. If saving the US means that the US will continue supporting Israel then better if the US is unsaved. I voted for Jill Stein and don’t regret it, but I still regret voting for genocide Joe in 2020.
Imagine not understanding first past the post elections and harm reduction.
The people of Palestine asked us to vote against Trump. But they're not worth listening to. They're not even real.
There is no harm reduction. Kamala didn’t support a cease fire, and she refused to stop the flow of weapons or support. The choices were killing kids fast, or killing them slowly. You don’t get to act self righteous, like there’s a more moral choice there.
Democrats are baby killers.
Uh huh..
You realize there are other issues out there right?
Yeah. Democrats suck at addressing those too. Do you really wanna talk about all the ways democrats are shot human being? Cause all of Lemmy is here for that.
Of course they're shit. Obviously. But FPTP dictates we vote anyway.
DID she really understand FPTP if she wouldn't acknowledge it as a problem?
Yes. It's not a problem for her.
But your question makes me think you don't.. FPTP benefits the two major parties. It's completely illogical to think they would not like it.
Or did you mean that she should've lied about her real opinion on order to get more votes?
Evidently it was a problem for her.
Libs would rather make fun of their genocide that they're funding than resist it.
That's literally why nobody votes for y'all creeps.
I’m think you’re missing the point.
You face three choices:
- Most death and harm, 50% chance of happening
- Less death and harm, 50% chance of happening
- Principled choice for no death and harm, but that practically makes choice 1 more likely to happen because it has 0 chance of happening.
Choosing choice 3 is equivalent to choosing choice 1 because you’re contributing to choice 1 happening practically.
Choosing choice 3 is directly creating more death and harm than choosing choice 2 and in that way is morally worse.
Why should we accept genocide as normal? I don’t get it? Is it because it is happening to Arabs?
At least now we know many Democratic voters are just as racist as Republican voters just tacit about it
I’m think you’re missing the point.
You face three choices:
- Most death and harm, 50% chance of happening
- Less death and harm, 50% chance of happening
- Principled choice for no death and harm, but that practically makes choice 1 more likely to happen because it has 0 chance of happening.
Choosing choice 3 is equivalent to choosing choice 1 because you’re contributing to choice 1 happening practically.
Choosing choice 3 is directly creating more death and harm than choosing choice 2 and in that way is morally worse.