The ESRB has proposed a new concept to allow for better parental control over kids playing video games.
The ESRB has added:
“To be perfectly clear: Any images and data used for this process are never stored, used for AI training, used for marketing, or shared with anyone; the only piece of information that is communicated to the company requesting VPC is a “Yes” or “No” determination as to whether the person is over the age of 25.”
Sure, ok...
I don't know what else to say about this, this will obviously turn into something else.
From the description, it sounds like you upload a picture, then show a face to a video camera. It’s not like they’re going through FaceID that has anti-spoofing hardware and software. If they’re supporting normal web cams, they can’t check for things like 3d markers
Based on applications that have rolled out for use cases like police identifying suspects, I would hazard a guess that
It’s not going to work as well as they imply
It’s going to perform comically badly in a multi-ethnic real world scenario with unfortunate headlines following
It will be spoofable.
I’m betting this will turn out to be a massive waste of resources, but that never stopped something from being adopted. Even the cops had to be banned by several municipalities because they liked being able to identify and catch suspects, even if it was likely to be the wrong person. In one scenario I read about, researchers had to demonstrate that the software the PD was using identified several prominent local politicians as robbery and murder suspects.
TI would be every dollar I’ve ever made that you know absolutely nothing about how it works. You seem like someone who is barely technically proficient and likes to pretend like that means they know how things work.
I’m a software engineer and can confirm that you are absolutely fucking wrong on this one.
While true, unfortunately the latest government spy bill is bipartisan. It will make end to end encryption for texts and chat illegal, using drug enforcement as the excuse.
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To be perfectly clear: Any images and data used for this process are never stored, used for AI training, used for marketing, or shared with anyone; the only piece of information that is communicated to the company requesting VPC is a “Yes” or “No” determination as to whether the person is over the age of 25.
I'd have a hard time coming up with a better lie than this.
Can people who stop trying to throw tech at things where it clearly doesn’t belong? Seems like every time I turn around people are trying to use AI for things with the expectation that it’s some flawless innovation that can do no wrong.
And that’s not even getting into the privacy nightmare that comes with things like this
There’s a story about a gay couple here in Sweden. One of the men lived with his mother.
One morning, around 3-4AM I think, a group of masked men went into his apartment and woke him up violently. They physically abused him, before they took him away.
Eventually he was taken to an interrogation room where he was questioned about a child he had supposedly sexually assaulted.
At some point they showed him pictures of him and this purported child, only said child was his very much adult, twink-ass boyfriend.
He and his boyfriend had shared the images with one another over a chat service, like Kik or something, which some American organisation had gotten their hands on, and then forwarded to Swedish police.
Swedish police then swatted him, and when they stood there with egg on their face the investigation was dropped. No repercussions for the police. None of the people who brutally assaulted the man got any sort of punishment, because he wasn’t able to identify any of them, since they were masked and he shockingly didn’t have X-ray vision, and the police had magically lost all records of who they sent out to bring him in.
Thinking back on this still fills me with rage. I’ve always thought our police were fairly chill and approachable, nothing like the gun toting cowards in the US, but no. It seems like ACAB holds true everywhere.
Edit: I got some stuff wrong. I re-read the article and got really angry, so despite it being 3AM, I got out of bed and moved to my computer so I can correct the information and translate parts I find important.
The man, Babak Karimi, lived with his mother, a nurse, and his partner whom he met in Malaysia ten years prior. His partner is thirty years old. The police enter the apartment, wake his mother, pointing flashlights and weapons at her, they pull his partner out into the livingroom, sans clothes, interrogate him but do not answer any questions in turn.
They scream at Babak, demanding to know where his laptop is, looking to confiscate all electronics. They get up on his bed and hit him, then they pull him out of bed, down on the floor, and taze him. At this point in time, he believes that they're being robbed, and that he is about to die.
After locating electronics and obtaining passwords, they cuff him and take him away.
At 7:54 they let him know what he's suspected of: sexual assault of child, sexual exploitation of child, and creation and spreading of child pornography. They tell him his rights, food and healthcare, etc. He requests to meet a nurse because of his head due to the previous assault, but none is provided.
At 13:21 they begin interrogating him. They ask him about mail addresses, phone numbers, a street address, whether he's lived there, etc. He agrees with everything except the charges, because the events they are charging him for haven't happened.
As I previously stated were 21 files uploaded via Yahoo mail and we suspect that you've uploaded them. Three of these are considered explicit, and we suspect that they are produced by you. What are your thoughts?
- That's even stranger.
What do you mean?
- It's not true, not something I've done.
Jenny Rosdahl clarifies further. She says two of the images are of a young boy showing his bottom and being touched by the hand of an adult.
This is about 48 images that are considered abusive, 98 images that are considered explicitly abusive, and 3 films that are considered explicitly abusive. What do you think about this?
- Strange.
He suggests that perhaps the images are of his partner, but the interrogator states that they're not. Eventually, Babak and his lawyer are allowed to view the images, which obviously are of his 30 year old partner.
According to the preliminary investigation material, which Kontext has gained access to, the suspicions against Karimi are based on image files that have come to the attention of the police through the organization National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). NCMEC is funded by the U.S. Department of Justice and assists authorities and individuals in cases involving, for example, child abuse. NCMEC monitors the Yahoo email service using algorithms that analyze photographs with nudity. The images of Dennis have been categorized as child pornography by NCMEC. On March 6th, the Swedish police's own investigator in the South region examines the photographs and reaches the same conclusion.
Less than a week later, a search is conducted at Babak Karimi's residence.
The police examines Dennis. They want to confirm that he has the same birthmark present on the man on the images which during the preliminary investigation has been described as prepubescent.
So basically. Because a U.S. government entity is using an AI model to spy on private emails, a gay man in Sweden was physically abused by Swedish police, not to speak of the "inspection" his partner had to go through, and the trauma the entire family must've suffered from it.
In the end there was no justice for them. No repercussions for the police. The mother moved to Canada. The partner moved to Malaysia. When the article was written, Babak himself was in the process of closing up all unfinished ends here and moving as well.
Saw an app try exactly this. It was run by terfs and they wanted to lock out anyone who wasn't a cis woman. Instead it labelled almost every black woman a man and many trans women got through the filter anyway.
To be perfectly clear: Any images and data used for this process are never stored, used for AI training, used for marketing, or shared with anyone; the only piece of information that is communicated to the company requesting VPC is a “Yes” or “No” determination as to whether the person is over the age of 25 dls unlimited coins and diamonds
America needs to get over its fear of a national ID system already. A lot of its problems regarding citizenship, voting, sexual consent, medical records, criminal records, banking and gaming can be solved with a national ID system. Pair the ID with a phone number. To access R18 content, you have to type in the ID number and approve a 2FA on the phone. No need for facial recognition.
@jeena@Chickenstalker What are you talking about? Governments have never shifted into authoritarian structures.
They call them big brothers because they look out for you /s.
Yeah and now we just have our social security numbers (if many states have their way) and Driver licenses being a nice database. Like we need a national ID system (not for 18+ material, just in general) since our current system is utter garbage because it was never designed to be used as identification material. The SSN system was hijacked for tax reasons and many banks and institution followed suit.
To be clear, I don't have a solution for the problem itself, but both a central registry of 18+ content use and facial recognition are not the solutions we're looking for.
While I agree with the idea that there is merit to a proper and well designed national id for official uses, I disagree with the idea of attaching it to R18 content. The way I see it, trying to do so inevitably intrudes on people's privacy in some way (content providers might collect that ID to check against government records, leading to the risk that they improperly store it, for example, or the government might be tempted to police the activities of adults to an unreasonable level, or at least creates the infrastructure to do so if a more restrictive government came into power). Further, it will not and fundamentally cannot stop kids from accessing things deemed inappropriate for them, because kids are curious, and the things one wants to restrict in this way are generally information, which is trivially easy for them to copy and distribute among themselves. I think we need better education, both to children/teenagers (depending on the subject) about those topics we as a society seem averse to the idea of them knowing about, but which they will inevitably learn of anyway (things like sex-ed, or how to deal with drug addiction or its presence among people they might know (and not just in the counterproductive way that things like DARE used to do)), and to parents about how to deal with children becoming curious about or trying to access restricted topics. Beyond that, I think we should generally leave it to parents to parent their children. While it might not be ideal if some kid gets access to a video game rated for adults, it also isnt physically dangerous to them in the way that something like alcohol is, so treating it the same way is overkill at best.
You're acting like any government, American or no, can handle the security aspects of a national database. Also, what's the point? Using an ID to play games, to watch porn? That shit is dumb, you can't nationalize or control the internet in any form, even with ID specifications. It's just not a realistic goal