I'm just sticking to lemmy.world for now. It doesn't have all the communities I want yet but it seems more open than the others. I don't like walled gardens or gated communities. If I wanted a platform with power hungry, elitist moderators creating circle jerk in-groups, I would have stayed on Reddit.
Same. I joined .world randomly because I didn't understand Lemmy when I joined, but I made the right decision!
Yeah same. I did shop around a bit on other instances but i decided the general purpose one here was the most sensible for me.
Same with me and I'm ultimately super happy with my Lemmy experience so far. I've been on since the 11th and the experience gets better every day.
Preach
I just like that the image previews don’t look like flat rectangles the way they do on kbin.
You can follow any lemmy or kbin community from one account on any instance
Except comms from beehaw if you're on .world; leave those and join another similar comm if you are.
Why doesn’t it work between beehaw and lemmy world?
Beehaw recently defederated lemmy.world out of concern for not being able to moderate such a huge user base with current mod tools. Learn more here
Tldr: beehaw comms are gonna be dead soon when viewed through lemmy.world
just pick one, you only need one, and you see posts from the other 3 from that one source. hi from kbin, viewing and commenting from kbin right now
If OPs only account was on Beehaw, we wouldn't see this post or am I missing something?
We would not, because Beehaw users cannot access the lemmy.world instance.
Why have more than one? For more pleasure!
You don't need to do all that, you only need one account as they are all federated, meaning they can talk to each other.
The exemption is beehaw, because they are defederating temporarily to put less strain on the servers
It's not about the servers, it's about moderation. They have a clear vision of what their instance should be like but they don't have the tools not moderators to make it so while getting traffic from other big instances
in the future when they possibly have more moderators and the influx of users has slowed down on lemmy.world, would it be easy to federate again? i know many instances defederate from others that go against their beliefs or how they want to run the community, but ive not heard of any that have re-federated
Careful, I said something like that and a guy posted a thousand word rant at me bitching about reddit refugees asking for more reddit lol, I was like chill dude I just want a simple platform to shitpost on without a phd in the lemmiverse or whatever jeez
Yeah, some people are reaaaalllyy into the fediverse. It's okay tho
That meme is 11 years old now.
Shocking.
As a web developer who feels fairly knowledgeable of most things web, even I have a hard time wrapping my head around the Fediverse, how to use it, and the broader implications. If the folks that have been using it for more than the past week and a half do anything but inform and encourage, it will just drive away the people needed most to bring about widespread adoption.
kbin and lemmy federate with each other. You only need one account and you can view posts from any instance*
- Except for those that choose to defederate, like beehaw. But that's their choice to make a walled-off community.
At first it was
"You only need one account, it's like an email, they all federate with each other"
I was reeeaally excited for the prospect. (I still am btw)
But now it's more like
"your account here can see that instance and that one too -- but it's buggy so sometimes it takes time to sync -- anyway you cannot see that one for that one you need a distinct account-- oh and if that instance decide to defederate then you'll need another account for there too".
I'm still into the Fediverse, it's just we still have things to figure out.
The good thing is I think most of these issues are a design issue that can be solved client side rather than fundamental flaws in the architecture.
For example, if you go to comment on a Beehaw thread and the app just showed some kind of prompt, e.g. "Sign-up to Beehaw or an instance federated with Beehaw to comment on this sublemmy" I think it would feel pretty straightforward.
All the confusion with how federation works is something a well designed app could explain to users as they explore. Obviously it will just take time for the platform to mature to this stage.
beehaw is still federated with kbin.social but they've recently dropped lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. They have a page that shows where they're linked and where they're not:
https://beehaw.org/instancesThey also recently posted they forsee refederating with sh.itjust.works in the future once things chill. No word on lemmy.world, yet.
But if the one you choose "defederates" can you yourself move over to another one?
On mastodon yes, so that feature should come to the Reddit-likes soon enough
I just joined .world because it sounded the most logical
"Oh it says world, that probably means i can see things all over the world"
I'm not disappointed
World here too on the Jerboa app, I'm subscribed to a BUNCH of communities in other instances and can browse and comment on them all with my world profile. Still kinda confused how it all works but I'm liking it so far
You don't need multiple accounts, one account can access all different instances, including subscribing to remote communities. You just have to click "All" in the communities or post list to see them, instead of "Local".
Except for beehaw.org defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, and I think some defederated from lemmygrad.ml.
Also it should be said that edited comments don't seem to pass across the instances. I think they only sync when the comment has been made.
You don’t need multiple accounts, one account can access all different instances
You need a kbin account to find out if you find kbin better than lemmy.
i like the choice algorithm for which posts are better than others more attractive, but that's about it, i dislike the UI, it has no API, it's not clear which instances are federated & i can't find my favorite lemmy communities there, i have no idea how to subscribe to shit, it's pretty cool for idle browsing for a few minutes while pooping but that's about it
Did beehaw.org defederate from lemmy.world ? I'm on Lemmy world and see posts from beehaw. Is there a way to check who is federated with who like some kind of map?
If I'm not mistaken, you can see the posts and can even comment, but only people on lemmy.world will see your comment. People from beehaw and other instances won't see it. That's because lemmy.world haven't defederated from beehaw.
More info here: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/24341/How-the-beehaw-defederation-affects-us
You can see which instances are blocked here: https://beehaw.org/instances. It's in the bottom of the page of every instance home page or just add '/instance' after the instance's address.
When were they posted? You should see ones from before.
Exact same feel but with Boost for Reddit
Everyday I learn of another 3rd party app for reddit which I didn’t knew existed. It shows how big reddit has become over the years and how spez has screwed over sooooo many people with that decision.
He doesn’t care. All he wants is the IPO to cash out.
Relay for me. I really hope that someone ends up implementing some kind of translation layer for the reddit API that would encourage the existing reddit apps to supper Lemmy.
Is boost gone? I uninstalled it
Not yet, but Ruben will not be able to handle the costs, so it dies with the other ones on the 30th or so.
Nope, I used it today to check up on a bit of drama in my favorite band's subreddit
I have no idea. I logged out of my account on the 11th and I deleted the app on the same night.
Reading an image, page refreshes, lose image. I wish I could turn off the auto-refresh or reduce the interval.
I really hope that some of the reddit clients switch over to lemmy
Or even better, start offering both
Like NewPipe for YouTube. It pulls YouTube videos but also other PeerTube federated instances
I'm loving it honestly. I've gotten myself into a complete fankle with I think five different logins, but it's great. I've made a couple of posts even. Having always been a lurker, I now feel more like a participant rather than a consumer. I don't want a monolith, I like the neighborhood feel, having to figure things out, knit up the threads myself.
This will die down eventually: at the moment there are many different independent ideas of how to build federated reddit alternatives that have yet to really be tested for how the underlying systems and moderation tools scale. In due time there's going to be a standard application or at least standard exchange format between the different services, that just doesn't happen right now since all methods are really new and now get "suprise load tested".
That's also why you experience outages and Beehaw explicitly asking people not to join: everything went from "fringe techdemo" to "the internet is moving off of reddit" in a matter of less than a week (same thing is true with app support) and everything is at its breaking point: from the underlying technology to new communities appearing in a matter of hours to days (usually with less experienced moderators).
From Kbin you can subscribe to whatever sublemmies you're interested in as if they were magazines.
You could also do the same in reverse from Beehaw/Lemmy.world, but KBin currently doesn't federate properly (due to Cloudflare DDoS protection.)
Kbin has been back to federating for a couple days now, hi from Kbin!
For me subscribing isn't the issue... it's seeing the subscription afterwards that I can't seem to do.
Haha sublemmy So cute <3
How do you subscribe to lemmy communities from kbin? I have an account on there can look at the local stuff, but struggling to search and find things lemmy wide.
Just type the name of the group in the search bar like so:
Search for
@[email protected]
Click subscribe.Click on Magazines and use the search tool there. The global search doesn't appear to work. When you search for a community you can search with the full name ([email protected]) or just a term (wall street). If you use a full address, don't include the leading @ or !, it won't return any results. And the search isn't like google. Wall street will return different results than wallstreet, for instance.
I haven't seen a cloudflare today. It might be off now.
I need a damn explain it to me like I'm five for how all this works. My brain can wrapped it up into neighborhoods or space fleets but the in an out communications are the part I'm missing.
The Fediverse is like a group of interconnected neighborhoods, each representing a different social platform or community. Just as you might have neighbors on your street who interact and share things over time, these communities can communicate and exchange ideas. These neighborhoods may differ in size or focus, but they all exist within a larger universe - just like planets orbiting around a sun. In this case, think of our star system as something like Friendica (the first step towards the modern fediverse) and Diaspora* (itself originally based on Friendica). And just as there might be traffic or communication issues between planetary systems, there could be friction between distinct Fediverse networks. But ultimately, we’re still talking about a united whole here! Finally, imagine spaceships zipping back and forth through space linking up these distinct points of interest - say hello to the protocols bridging connections between decentralized nodes known as “federation” today. It’s all connected!
Well beehaw defederated Lemmy.world so you won’t see that stuff. Well they won’t see yours anyways so you won’t get to interact with them.
I honestly think we should just ditch beehaw at this point, this move will just make things way more complicated and probably keep many people from bothering to learn how it all works. You shouldn't have to visit 3-4 different sites to see the most popular lemmy content
I agree, they don't deserve to be one of the popular instances. They gathered a large userbase and just isolated it. If they wanted to be some special safe space, they should've specified that in the beginning instead of overcomplicating everything the way they did. People keep saying it's their choice, and it is, but in the same way it's Reddit's choice to kill off 3rd party apps.
It's an interesting situation, defederating.
Defederated instances can see the instance that cut them off and can comment, but they (beehaw in this case) won't see their comments. However, if they refederate later when better mod tools exist, all the comments will (be able to) flood in, right?
If so, they'll need to be able to handle it in some way that enables them to maintain compatibility with their instance ethos.
What was that about? Anyone know?
I came up with what I think is a pretty good explanation when trying to explain the beehaw fiasco to a friend last night, here it is copy pastad
Think of it like cell service
You have TMobile, I have Google fi
But we can still talk because they both use 4g
But then Google fi blocked TMobile so I can't talk to you anymore
And if I want to be able to talk to people on TMobile and Google fi I would have to transfer my service to att
But also, the service is free to setup and run on your own
So instead of 3 or 4 big cell carriers there are thousands
Also, some added info: Also, with the fediverse, when you transfer service you can take your data with you Just like you can take your text messages and phone number with you Fediverse meaning all the apps that work this way, like mastodon and
Lemmy(at least thosetwoone have data transfers I think)Edit: can't transfer account
It's kind of like I have gmail and you have protonmail but we can still send emails to each other. Conversely emails from "@nigerianprince.com" will probably get spam filtered or blocked and you may not be able to communicate with them.
Who said you need an account on each one?
Something something multiple instances (if you register with Beehaw, you can't access threads to Lemmy/lemmy.ml)...
I'm liking the UI, experience on mobile could be a bit better though
Couldn't agree more! I tried out mastodon and both versions, web and mobile, are friendlier than Lemmy. But I couldn't get behind the twitter thing. Never liked the twitter format and wasn't really getting through. Lemmy has a better format for me, but a bit clunkier. Sure it will get better soon
@msdos622 love your username
Just make sure you sort your front page by All instead of Local. Then you can use just one of the three accounts you created and you don't lose anything.
Kbin > All > New is all you need.
Try Memmy or Mlem if you’re on iOS to replace Apollo, still work in progress but getting there
Jerboa on Android too. A work in progress, but nice.
i was confused for a little while too, created a few accounts and was floundering. the setup will be different for everyone but currently i have a tab open with mastodon and i'm following a few seperate instances there. then i have lemmy.world also open and i have stuff from different lemmy instances and kbin coming in to my feed.
Yeah but isn't it more fun that way??
Try Memmy or Mlem if you’re on iOS to replace Apollo, still work in progress but getting there
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