Honestly that's the minority on /r/conservative right now. Most are saying he fucked up and he's fucking up by refusing the next debate. Many are even saying it's over.
Honestly, this is the most heartening thing I've read about US politics in recent years. (PS. Am not American, and not in America)
I saw those replies. Reality has set in. But I think they'll go back to drinking the koolaid unfortunately.
That whole sub works on cycles - news breaks, there's an immediate negative reaction towards trump and a couple of days later the sub finds some way to spin the whole thing.
It's fun watching them get told how to think in real time, though I'm not sure if it's done big conspiracy with some russian telling them how to think or just a collective coping mechanism.
Gosh, I really hope that sense of defeat is everywhere.
I would love to know what substance they think he won on. Unless they mean the racism. They uh, they probably mean the racism, right?
I mean for me, just hearing him say he has "concepts of a plan" for the US healthcare system was enough for me. Get that
monorailbill installed NOW.what substance they think he won on
Cocaine
I know there are dumb cunts voting for him because they like him "owning the left", but any time I see it when they're so obviously wrong, I think it must be the Russians at it again.
He didn't necessarily win on substance, but he sure spoke like he took some beforehand.
He had a concept of a substance
And it's the best substance don't you worry
Lots of people are saying it
Well, yeah, we all vote based on feelings. Some feelings based on things that verifiably happened in the real world, and some feelings based on ridiculous bullshit we dreamed up.
Guess which side has more of the second kind of feelings.
To be fair, the republicans do have a lot of policies—christofascist policies—but they try to maintain deniability for the main stream while winking at their cult. It’s a tough balancing act
All these Republicans since the debate suddenly care about Border Security after their senators voted down the Border Security Bill they wanted.
Only thing fat orange won was the Dunce Cap of Dippiness
American Liberals: forced to vote for a neocon regime that is arming a genocide in order to avoid fascist crackdown at home
American Liberals: "It is so awesome how we're winning now"
it is possible for people to be simultaneously happy about furthering the aversion of fascism, racism, homophobia and sexism whilst also being unhappy that you don’t get more, better choices
you have explained the joke very eloquently
edit for clarity: it is a very dry observational riff on the tragic irony of the situation
fascist crackdowns at home are bad, you do want to avoid that
Oh yeah feel that dopamine. This screenshot of text makes me feel superior as fuck. I was going to do something productive but it must wait because these real people interacting in this real situation need my time and judgement. Ive done a good thing here today.
the irony of this comment is crazy lol
its true tho just like the republican wing of capitalist party the democrat wing votes entirely based on the vibes of the propaganda they a fed.
Meanwhile leftists do nothing but come up with creative ways to waste their votes while pretending to be superior to everyone else.
/c/self-awarewolves waking up every 4 years to condescend about how important voting for Kodos is
pure projection.
The funny part is how this is literally true lmao
isn't the left saying this is a vibes election and it doesn't matter what her policy positions are? I could have sworn I heard that somewhere...
To clarify, Harris is being mindful of "the vibes" because it's something her predecessors neglected. Doom and gloom does discourage turn out, on both sides, and it seems to be working. This isn't zero sum with substance, and she has made clear some policy positions (and more at than Trump, unless you count Project 2025). You can do multiple approaches to appeal to multiple audiences.
Of course it is - the median voter seems to have all the brains of an ox - half of them still have Trump as their gender identity. People would like to think they're better than that, but the outcomes beg to differ.
Trump's only asset has been his vibes. He (and the GOP broadly) are an utter failure on anything of substance - their contempt for voters is clear in their policy. Problem is that his vibes are collapsing at an exponential rate.
Dems undeniably have the substance (only relatively speaking), but their contempt for voters fucks their vibes. The GOP is now so obviously unhinged they've seen an opportunity, and un-fucked their vibes.
Getting the job is mostly the vibes, doing the job is mostly the substance - and the current winner on both fronts is pretty fucking straightforward. It'll still be a toss-up, sadly.
At least Harris has policy positions and a corresponding agenda. Trump has none of that, at least nothing that he could talk about in public. Did you not watch the debate? Did you not notice that he made no factual arguments whatsoever, but responded to every question on every topic with the same old empty polemics and unfounded recriminations?
I noticed that he was debating both of the moderators and Harris who also dodged all meaningful questions asked by the moderators. She's literally the sitting VP. All of the things she's campaigning to fix she can literally solve right now. Many of the things she is blaming trump for are problems that the Biden administration caused She had zero policy positions until last week when she put them up on her page. Almost all of her policy positions are a complete 180° turn from what she was saying as recently as 1 month ago. Are people really this incapable of thinking critically about anything ? As just 1 example: She was JUST doing press conferences saying how the economy is incredible and "bidenomics is working " but now she's saying the economy is the worst it has been since the great depression and somehow that's trump's fault when it started literally as soon as her and Biden took office? This is such an insult to people's intelligence, and yet somehow people are still eating this stuff up. do you think I don't notice that gas is easily 2x as expensive as it was when trump was in office ? How on earth could this be his fault ? Even if it was, why can't you fix it while you're in office now?? I don't think I could believe this BS if I wanted to. I think all around the debate sucked on both ends, they were essentially just taking turns calling each other liars.
