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‘We were sure the Russian army would protect us’: fury after Ukrainian incursion into Kursk

www.theguardian.com ‘We were sure the Russian army would protect us’: fury after Ukrainian incursion into Kursk

As tens of thousands flee their homes in border region, many say government downplayed threat of invasion

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"I didn't want the war to be in MY country!"
- As an American who opposed the Iraq War and watched so many of my fellow Americans, mostly conservative, beat the drums of war and slapping yellow ribbons on their suburbans... The same sentiment was definitely here. People treated war in Afghanistan and Iraq like a game. Americans especially as of late have never really felt the direct impact of all-out war. In fact Putin learned a lot about domestic propaganda from those Bush years.
  
  Yeah there's a fair amount of cross pollination between Fox News and co and Russian state sponsored tv, like Alex Jones for example used to appear on various Russian channels.
  
  The first few minutes of this video are a good illustration of the parallels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OFyn_KSy80
  
  I try to tell people just how bad war is and how much it should be avoided. But that Hollywood idea is just too dug in. I really enjoyed the civil war movie that just came out though. I hope people saw it's message on the sheer capriciousness of suffering in war.
  
  I don't think it's quite the same situation because an attack on US soil preceded the war in Afghanistan. I think people in NYC felt the direct impact of war on 9/11.
  
  I'm Ukrainian who has lived in the US for almost 30 years. Only now, after Ukraine has bee invaded, did I realize what having that yellow ribbon in "support of our troops" meant. It doesn't matter what kind of "altruistic" reasons you assign to it. Any time a country invades another, they are the bad guy because ANY war means the deaths of innocent people and should be avoided at all costs, no matter the reason.
- You are underplaying the struggles of civilians in a war zone just because they happen to live on the wrong side of the border.
  
  Civilians have all the rights to not want war on their country, at their doors, no matter which side of the border they are, and they are allowed to lament the incompetency of a government that hides critical information from them in an attempt to cover up its failures.
  
  The Ukrainians have the right to keep fighting, and I hope they win this war. Putin is a criminal and he must pay for his crimes. This doesn't mean that civilians caught in the crossfire are being petty.
  
  A lot of Russians support the war, though. Those deserve what they're getting. And they're very lucky it's the Ukrainians invading them, not the Russians.
  
  Thank you for saying this. People (like the below commenter) dunking on people just trying to live their lives who live in a country where their government fucking sucks is gross and not well thought out. (And even if a lot of Russians support the war, its worth remembering that their access to information is limited, and all nations of people become stupid and nationalist in times of war. That doesn't forgive it, but it doesn't mean they deserve to live in a war zone as punishment.)
  
  Really? Does that also count for Germans during WW2? They suffered a ton more than the Russians in Kursk do now. Just to be clear, I would be strongly opposed to fire bombing Russians (as we casually did to WW2 Germans/Japanese civilians). However, I would say that the current Ukrainian invasion into Russia falls well within the bounds of a proportional response.
  
  People crying for these Russians, who are in relative safety and who were free to go, are just comical to me.
  
  Where were you when all these Ukrainian cities were shelled and other war crimes happened?
- Leopard 2s eating Z faces right now.
- Of course, since, according to the article, you can't legally say "war" in Russia anymore... they could actually say what they wanted or didn't want.
  
  I remember a time when people where arrested for standing with a blank white paper
- "I did not fake vote for that!"
Consequences are a mf sometimes
You thought the Russian army would protect you? You must be new here.
- Usually the people learn the truth of that just before they die, so that's the kind of learning that may not stick.
Why are they complaining for? They get a generous $115 payout.
Er.. no. They do what Putin says, and that is not necessarily to protect the Russian people.
Poor lad on the left looks like he's had enough for today
War is a very sad and stupid thing.
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