Why are peole hating on .world?
Why are peole hating on .world?
I've seen around 3 occasions of that this week, altho I have never seen anything like it before.
if I remember correctly they were:
- smack talking a mod (FlyingSquid) for saying not to report the same comment twice, when they were different comments, and the report was spam
- someone comparing .world with .ml in politics (as in there was a comment saying "this post will be overrun with .ml people, and then a comment going "but you are from .world") (Maybe Im part of the problem? I have been called out for being a fascist because I questioned the "puching nazis" theme)
- one more which I can't remember.
Anyways, what is all that about? Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?
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It's a battle of political ideologies.
ml is administered by the creators of Lemmy, they are openly socialist/communist/tankie depending on your own ideology, ml was chosen to represent Marxism-Leninism, and so the people it attracted are generally also adhering to this kind of ideologies.
.world was created for Redditors exile, as such, it is mostly center-left to social democrat.Political extremists tend to extremise everything, typically a tankie will call you a Nazi/fascist if you disagree with them. That's one of your answer.
Secondly, some ml people are frustrated that Lemmy is not their own little thing anymore for them and their friends, as world is the biggest instance now by far. So they show some kind of instance-xenophobia, not much different from the Great Replacement theory: "we are being culturally replaced through mass migration".
Not all .ml people are like that of course. In my experience, it is enough to block a few tankies to get back to civilized discussions.
I have had way more issues with .ml communities than .world
ML was basically designed to be an echo chamber, itâs right there in the name.
ML
wasis basicallydesignedmoderated to be an echo chamber, itâs right there in the name.FTFY (though, I'm mostly being sarcastic here - like most things, moderation there is a mixed bag from community to community).
.world is the one that "preemptively defederated HB and grad, as a last resort" due to such scary views as opposing NATO and the IMF.
There are sophisticated and nuanced critiques to be made of Western power projection, soft and hard. "Nuanced" and "sophisticated" are not words appropriate to the average hexbear or lemmygrad denizen's take on geopolitics, and for those of us who live in the real world rather than living to argue over how many Maos can dance on the tip of the icepick that killed Trotsky, the loud and unrelenting naysaying of anything less extreme than "armed proletarian revolution now!" got to be incredibly tiresome, not to mention the constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don't have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.
The constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don't have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.
This is my main issue with tankies. Yeah, late-stage capitalism sucks and exploits the layman to enrich the rich furtherâI take no issue with that. It's the knob-slobbering of Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un that makes no sense. Modern-day Russia, China, and North Korea have about as much in common with communism as oat milk has with milk: nothing but the name.
as oat milk has with milk: nothing but the name.
Drag thinks oat milk is milk. Drag isn't convinced that cow's milk is real milk, though. Milk comes from a plant, drag isn't sure something from an animal's boob counts. Chemically it's too different from milk to call it the same thing.
I think practicality is the only important thing here, if something looks and tastes like milk, and can be used as milk in 98% of cases, it's fine to call it a type of milk.
Certainly if we're gonna call peanut butter peanut butter just because it spreads like butter, despite having no other similarity, there's no reason to split hairs over things that are interchangeable with milk.
Drag doesn't think we should call cow breast milk real milk, because validating it makes people more likely to drink it, and that's wrong. We should be telling them it's weird. That should be the default position for society.
Yeah no, you're not wrong, cow milk is just another type of milk, there is no one "real" milk, animal or plant based.
It might be less weird in other contexts, but the in the context of our current farming practices, the fact that it needs to be pasteurized due to the likely presence of dangerous pathogens and has bio-available hormones, is weird as fuck.
So, Drag thinks countries that act as though their neighbors are part of a greater whole ruled by them as the motherland, and have political structures where the governing body consists of a small cohort (and not the proletariat) are communist?
That's imperialism, buddy.
Let me know when: 1) China stops trying to exert absolute control over Tibet, Taiwan, and Hong Kong; 2) North Korea accepts that their ownership ends where their globally-recognized territory ends; 3) Russia stops invading neighboring countries; and 4) All three of them abolish the ruling class and give the power to the people.
December edit: This is a regretful instance of me being needlessly antagonistic.
Drag has no idea what you're talking about, does not support China, and would prefer lowercase pronouns, please.
If drag does not support China, drag is probably not a tankie. If drag calls drag communist and consider Russia and North Korea communist-led countries, drag is wrong, however. A charitable description of those countries would be "socialist" by Marx's definition.
Go visit hexbear.net/PPB (nsfw) for a good reason why one might want to defederate from them.
Fuck off tankie
Everyone has. That place is a toxic shithole.
I haven't.
give it more than 14 days.
A month so far. I mean, I'm pretty sure I probably said stuff that was ignorant of actual facts that showed up on other instances and could've been dv'd by, it argued over with them, it's hard to say since my original instance went down and I generally try not to hold grudges, but as long as I've been consciously aware, I don't recall any unpleasantness. But then I'm not going on their instances acting like I know everything just because I read it from a Western or US-centric source. All governments BS their citizens and we never really know to what extents, since *Assange, Snowden, Manning and a bunch of other whistle-blowers were heavily persecuted and prosecuted.
I have been corrected, with credible sources from Western-centric media and had my thinking challenged, but it wasn't disrespectfully, as far as I was aware. They're alright, I've had non -confrontational posts rmâd and been flamed for no good reason by mods and regulars on the biggest instance. Every other instance seems pretty decent, but that's my own experience.
I mean... a toxic shithole? Really??
I think of it as more of a cancerous shithole.
A toxic, cancerous shithole of vapid pissfarts incessantly salivating on themselves while climbing over one another to be top edgelord in a community that will eternally fail to produce anything remotely resembling neither edge, nor lords.
I made the mistake of being an anarchist on ml and hexbear.
Waay, waaaaaay too many tankies getting insanely pissed off and swarm when you criticize (point out obvious facts, really) any non US/Western countries or allies along anarchist lines.
It rapidly devolves into idpol, rants and tirades that are barely related to the topic or comment, Fox News style 'I'm just asking questions in good faith' which are obviously not in good faith if you're older than maybe 10.
I dare someone to go ml or grad or hex and attempt to have a serious and thorough conversation about the Sino-Vietnamese war. Or Uighurs. Or the Holodomor. Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.
I remember at one point explaining a meme that popped up on some China's social media site that boiled down to 'Deng Xiaoping's reforms have led to Chinese women craving giant Black cocks', and all of them being just fine with incels and racism when its not Westerners doing it.
Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have 'communists' arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.
EDIT: Its somewhat sad, as it is great fun when everyone is dogpiling on some new latest insane western neocolonialism or corporate incompetence/hellscape type stuff, but I treat those places like Ravenholm:
We don't go there anymore.
Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have âcommunistsâ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin
That's an instaban from hb, grad, and .ml, did you report that post?
I've seen bans there for Calling out horseshoe theory. As if it's a slur
No, I was already banned from a bunch of communities for discussing the aforementioned things and I just blocked the instances ... 6 months ago I think?
Anarchists aren't allowed to report queerphobia on Hexbear. Because Hexbear keeps banning anarchists.
One of the admins, Nakoichi, is an anarchist. But please point me at the queerphobia, I'm not banned from hb, I'll report it, I have faith they'll do something about it.
This is false. Anti-AES anarchists are banned, because sectarianism is banned.
Drag has no problem with the Advanced Encryption Standard, which is the first Google result for AES.
Already existing communism
Actually Existing Socialism, "Communism" as a stage in development hasn't been achieved by any AES state yet.
Oh, well drag isn't one of those! Drag thinks communism has existed for 60,000 years in Australia, and a long time in many other places too. It's a shame Russia and China were corrupted by the siren song of state capitalism before they managed to implement the Australian model. If only they'd been more like Catalonia.
Better to die a communist than to engage in trade relations with Nazi Germany during the holocaust.
Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.
That's the hypocrisy that pisses me off the most. I don't know how someone can support resistance by any means for Palestinians but seriously suggest Ukrainians are nazis for resisting an imperialist invasion.
PS: there's at least 2 anarchist instances on Lemmy đ
Slightly off topic, is db0 one of the anarchist instances you're referring to? I know it's a generally leftist instance, but don't know much more detail than that
Yes, that's my instance :) it's run by anarchists and has an anarchist CoC and general vibe. slrpnk is the second.
I'm such a dunce, I didn't spot your username đ€Š
Thought I was asking a db0 random, not the NaN himself
I like db0 because it reminds of how cool the 'you wouldn't download a car' commercials made piracy look. They were right, it is cool.
Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have âcommunistsâ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.
If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, theyâre lying.
The culture where these sorts of blatant lies are accepted without question is my biggest problem with .world. You can have whatever actual beliefs you want, but lying like this is really despicable.
Please show any sources for this garbage, these are all bannable offenses on Grad, Hexbear, and .ml.
Oh people have tried I'm sure. They are banned now.:-)
Iâve yet to see anyone in .world ban someone simply for having a political affiliation. The tankie communities flat-out ban for being âliberal.â
Granted, itâs been a while since I e seen this happen, the admins/mods there do not hide their bias.
Extremism :- (
âNazisâ flooding lemmy to replace the poor tankies (c. 2023):
I hope people point out that they and the fascists both agree on Great Replacement theory lol